Hello again. Also, the MMR scare.

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Hi there. I haven't posted on here for a few months now so, by way of re-introduction, here's a vid about the MMR panic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFAJb6g8uj8[/youtube]

The scary thing is, the idea still rumbles on.

Hope you're all doing good by the way.

Well, there are also still people who believe in Hollow Earth, Flat Earth, and psychic surgery. Perhaps one day the MMR panic will be considered properly as belonging to this category of pseudoscience...

I've been thinking about the MMR debate...

Knowing about the effects of mercury poisoning, I don't think the trace amounts of mercury are responsible, it's an impossible conclusion that obviously wasn't proven true.

It wouldn't matter to me anyway, I had measles at four weeks of age and wasn't given MMR until I was four years old. According to my Mother, by four I was already a stange child. In her opinion I always had been.

Here's another thought...

Before the measles vaccine became available most children got measles, it's thought that among normally healthy children, some children couldn't fight the infection at all and died, some couldn't fight it as well and ended up with complications like measles encephalitis, the rest just had measles and recovered.

The MMR vaccine has been in use since 1963 so around two to three generations of children have been vaccinated. Children who wouldn't have survived childhood measles are alive because they were vaccinated, children who would have been left with brain damage from measles encephalitis don't have it because they were vaccinated. Along with the children who would have survived anyway, they went on to have children of their own, when they wouldn't have done so if they hadn't have been vaccinated.

A type of natural selection took place when children had measles and those with the best immune response recovered. The others did not. With vaccination, that no longer happens.

45 years later, without that natural selection having taken place we have more people in the gene pool who would not survive measles infection.

What if those people who would have died from the measles, or who would have had the complication of measles encephalitis, react differently to the vaccine? Vaccination triggers an immune response, that's how it works.

Perhaps there is a correlation in some people... not with the triple vaccination, or with trace mercury, but with a flawed immune response.

I think I have the perfect response to this whole MMR thing popping up again:
http://www.youtube.com/v/lTr-Nui1tDg&hl ... autoplay=1



(can't embed it if you need a video to start at certain time, so you'll have to click! )

Welcome back.

The video no longer works ("removed due to terms of use violation").

And I'm still waiting on those cryptic crosswords!

That's the same as me... except I had the measles aged 4 YEARS not months! MMR came shortly afterwards. Mum says I was unusual before.

Hooo hum, yes, that wretched man Dr Andrew Wakefield....the one who paid children at a birthday party for their blood.......and then sadly put MY training hospital, the amazing, remarkable Royal Free in London into disrepute.......what has happened to him? Has he been disciplined yet and struck off by the BMC? Check in to see the latest on Brian Deer's website.............http://briandeer.com/wakefield/birthday-blood.htm

http://briandeer.com/wakefield-deer.htm

I completely agree with previous posters who have dammed this whole episode out of hand.

BUT on a totally different note I would like to add that ALL my children who are genetically on the spectrum (I am far too old to have had the MMR) .......HAD the MMR....and my only gripe with it was I wasn't told that the vaccine had a 10yr life so when my son was 15 he went down badly with Mumps................still he has no children? 15 in a boy is just the worst age..........but that is just my experience.

Sorry, you can find the piece on MMR here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn8trMXe8ok[/youtube]

Didn't you get the crosswords?? I'm sure I sent them... maybe that's why no-one ever replied. I can dig them out if you want...

You should turn off your telly.

I'll send you a PM later (if I don't forget) about the cryptics--maybe I gave you a bad email address.

The Sydney Morning Herald no longer has their cryptics available online, and the ones in the Mirror are terrible.