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tangerine12
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21 May 2010, 11:16 am

I would like to file medical malpractice/disability discrimination lawsuit against my counselor, after I informed her about my Asperger's she dropped me and the counseling center refused to hire someone who a genuine background in ASD.

I found the ordeal deeply emotionally painful. the clinic clearly states they accommodate handicates and is a safe space.

At this time I have not found a lawyer to do this, but I feel for the future of ASD this lawsuit needs to be filed.

I don't have a whole lot of experience with lawsuits, I plan to find a lawyer via the yellowpages.

I know there is state court and federal court. I would prefer to file in federal court under ADA-federal disability act, with medical practice secondary,
rather than in state court. I would prefer a trial by jury. I prefer my attorney accepts a % of my winnings.

I hope my case gets cited by future attorneys that discriminating against Autism spectrum disorders in violation of Chapter 7 brings legal consequences.

a couple of sessions After I told my counselor I have ASD, and this is a counseling site that says "Safe Space" she said she could no longer see me due to her
PROFESSIONAL ETHICS. Her superior supported her decision, and they don't have anyone with expertise in ASD. They told me I'm on my own.

Unacceptable. Granted I' don't know what to expect from a lawsuit. I've seen the TV shows and I know it's a lot of depositions that are very time consuming and expensive.



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21 May 2010, 1:09 pm

I'm not sure if your counselor has broken the law, and I'm not sure they haven't. I don't think any given counselor or mental health clinic is required to treat all kinds of situations, but it's usually Borderline Personality Disorder patients that have a hard time finding someone to treat them. Did they diagnose the AS or did someone else. They may either choose not to deal with AS because it's outside of their area of expertise or perhaps it's because they disagree with the diagnosis and feel they can't help you.

Many lawyers will do a free consultation to give you an idea of your options. Call your regional bar association and get some names.

Good Luck!



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21 May 2010, 1:17 pm

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I'm not sure if your counselor has broken the law, and I'm not sure they haven't. I don't think any given counselor or mental health clinic is required to treat all kinds of situations, but it's usually Borderline Personality Disorder patients that have a hard time finding someone to treat them. Did they diagnose the AS or did someone else. They may either choose not to deal with AS because it's outside of their area of expertise or perhaps it's because they disagree with the diagnosis and feel they can't help you.

Many lawyers will do a free consultation to give you an idea of your options. Call your regional bar association and get some names.

Good Luck!

I told her I was AS and she agreed.
Yeah I'm sure that the "outside the area of expertise" is what defense they will use. I asked therefore that University clinic hire someone who has the "expertise" and they refused.

University is bound by federal law to provide reasonable accommodation to disability. Since the clinic director has no staff member with the expertise of dealing with ASD, and my request is they find someone who does, their refusal to do so falls under disability law.



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21 May 2010, 1:20 pm

Legally, a medical professional must be proficient in their area before they can undertake a task. Since your counseller does not have training in AS issues, she may have been aware of this. Had she given you bad advice, due to her lack of education on the subject, she could have left herself open to litigation.

Personally, it's been my experience that lack of expertise has not prevented many health professionals from making a 'stab' at a diagnosis/treatment plan, but technically your ex-counseller is right to put her hand up and admit she has no idea what to do for you.

The counselling service may not have the funds to employ as specialist in AS at the present, or it may not be cost effective as you might be the only one who would benefit.

I would recommend that you find another counseller, who specialises in AS, and forget launching a lawsuit. I could be wrong, but I don't think you have much of a case and the last thing you need is to have to foot a whole load of legal fees.

I agree with Kiley; get a free consultation if it will put your mind at rest, but be aware that to pursue this issue may cost more money and time than simply finding another source of counselling.



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21 May 2010, 1:43 pm

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Legally, a medical professional must be proficient in their area before they can undertake a task. Since your counseller does not have training in AS issues, she may have been aware of this. Had she given you bad advice, due to her lack of education on the subject, she could have left herself open to litigation.

Personally, it's been my experience that lack of expertise has not prevented many health professionals from making a 'stab' at a diagnosis/treatment plan, but technically your ex-counseller is right to put her hand up and admit she has no idea what to do for you.

The counselling service may not have the funds to employ as specialist in AS at the present, or it may not be cost effective as you might be the only one who would benefit.

I would recommend that you find another counseller, who specialises in AS, and forget launching a lawsuit. I could be wrong, but I don't think you have much of a case and the last thing you need is to have to foot a whole load of legal fees.

I agree with Kiley; get a free consultation if it will put your mind at rest, but be aware that to pursue this issue may cost more money and time than simply finding another source of counselling.


Yeah I'm aware of the above line of argument, however, I did not ask for any special advice re AS. I find the clinic's refusal to provide help to be a violation of the student clinic policy of providing for all student regardless of disability, and I believe this does fall under diability law.

First if I didn't say anything about AS I doubt this would happen,

second the clinic claims to be a SAFE SPACE, and third,

now that I mention AS, everyone in the clinic claims they don't have the "expertise":

I never requested any kind of expertise with AS.

I'm not happy.

Could they treat a HOMOSEXUAL like this? Could they say that it takes expertise to deal with HOMOSEXUAL issues and no one in the clinic has this, so you're on your own?

The clinic states they have a NONDISCRIMINATION policy treated patients without regrad to disabilities.

BUt the line of reasoning you provided was what the clinic director provided me.



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21 May 2010, 2:01 pm

Discrimination and reasonable accommodation are two different things. If they had found any condition for which they were not adequately trained and gave inappropriate advice, they are legally liable. From what I've read, they did not discriminate against you - they were honest with you, and what they had to say was not what you wanted to hear.


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21 May 2010, 2:35 pm

Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

There is a difference between not discriminating between patients (i.e. treating all people of all religions or sexual orientations) and not having the skills required to treat any patient with a particular illness (regardless of their religion or sexual orientation).

Like it or not, 'aspergers' is not widely considered a minority group by most professionals. It's considered a mental condition and thus treated as one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.



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21 May 2010, 2:36 pm

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Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

There is a difference between not discriminating between patients (i.e. treating all people of all religions or sexual orientations) and not having the skills required to treat any patient with a particular illness (regardless of their religion or sexual orientation).

Like it or not, 'aspergers' is not widely considered a minority group by most professionals. It's considered a mental condition and thus treated as one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.


I did NOT request special treatment for AS.



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21 May 2010, 2:36 pm

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Discrimination and reasonable accommodation are two different things. If they had found any condition for which they were not adequately trained and gave inappropriate advice, they are legally liable. From what I've read, they did not discriminate against you - they were honest with you, and what they had to say was not what you wanted to hear.


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Fine, reasonable accommodations.



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21 May 2010, 2:41 pm

Lene wrote:
Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.


I did not request specialized treatment. I requested my treatment is the same as a NT. Is there evidence that a standard counselor cannot treat individuals with ASD?



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21 May 2010, 2:43 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
Discrimination and reasonable accommodation are two different things. If they had found any condition for which they were not adequately trained and gave inappropriate advice, they are legally liable. From what I've read, they did not discriminate against you - they were honest with you, and what they had to say was not what you wanted to hear.


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i DID NOT REQUEST ANY SPECIAL TRAINING!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

They claim to be a SAFE SPACE where students can talk about their concerns. DUMPING LIKE THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND AND IT MAKES ME SICK THEY DID THIS!

I BELIEVE THEY ARE LEGALLY LIABLE FOR THE DISTRESS THEY PUT ME THROUGH!! !

THEIR PROMISE TO STUDENTS IS TO TREAT ALL STUDENTS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, SEX, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ETHNICITY, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, OR DISABILITY. THEY REFUSE TO TREAT ME!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

If they do not feel they can treat me they are required to provide me with someone who can.

IF THEY REFUSE TO TREAT ME THEY THEN SHOULD FINE SOMEONE WHO CAN!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!



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21 May 2010, 2:44 pm

Lene wrote:
Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

There is a difference between not discriminating between patients (i.e. treating all people of all religions or sexual orientations) and not having the skills required to treat any patient with a particular illness (regardless of their religion or sexual orientation).

Like it or not, 'aspergers' is not widely considered a minority group by most professionals. It's considered a mental condition and thus treated as one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.


What is the difference between treating someone with AS and treating someone who is not?



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21 May 2010, 2:44 pm

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Lene wrote:
Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.


I did not request specialized treatment. I requested my treatment is the same as a NT. Is there evidence that a standard counselor cannot treat individuals with ASD?


No, but whether you requested it or not, the treatment may be different. Even looking around the forums here, there are many examples of people needing things explained differently in order to understand the people around them, and now that you've disclosed your diagnosis, your counseller may feel that they cannot ethically keep treating you like an NT.

Standard counsellers do often treat people with AS, but that's at their discretion. Since you want to be treated as NT, why did you disclose your diagnosis? (I'm not saying you were wrong to, just wondering)

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THEIR PROMISE TO STUDENTS IS TO TREAT ALL STUDENTS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, SEX, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ETHNICITY, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, OR DISABILITY. THEY REFUSE TO TREAT ME!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


You may be able to ask more about that, but I suggest not losing your temper. If you act aggressively, they will refuse to treat you on grounds of their own safety, and the well being of those around you.

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If they do not feel they can treat me they are required to provide me with someone who can.


Actually, no they're not.



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21 May 2010, 2:45 pm

If there is no money or personnel available, then the accommodation becomes unreasonable. The most reasonable expectation you should have, in my opinion, is a prompt referral to someone who -can- help... not that they should be expected to have an expert on staff on each and every possible condition. Whether you file suit or not is up to you, but you should not go into it with false expectations of what the system provides.


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21 May 2010, 2:47 pm

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tangerine12 wrote:
Lene wrote:
Tangerine, I understand that you feel excluded, but AS is not quite the same as homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a mental illness, and the treatment for any mental health problem for a homosexual person would be the same as that for a straight one.

Your counseller is treating you as if you had walked in with any other medical condition that fell outside her expertise, be it an MI, pneumonia or a kidney infection. It's not discriminating against People With Aspergers.


I did not request specialized treatment. I requested my treatment is the same as a NT. Is there evidence that a standard counselor cannot treat individuals with ASD?


No, but whether you requested it or not, the treatment may be different. Even looking around the forums here, there are many examples of people needing things explained differently in order to understand the people around them, and now that you've disclosed your diagnosis, your counseller may feel that they cannot ethically keep treating you like an NT.

Standard counsellers do often treat people with AS, but that's at their discretion. Since you want to be treated as NT, why did you disclose your diagnosis? (I'm not saying you were wrong to, just wondering)


Because they say they are a SAFE SPACE



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21 May 2010, 2:50 pm

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Because they say they are a SAFE SPACE


And what does that mean?

They're a counselling service. 'Safe space' is just a trendy buzz word, unless the official definition is different where you come from?