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emilyrosecampbell
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29 May 2010, 8:14 am

I had read a few months ago while researching new things about my Asperger's for a project that some doctors have found it possible that Asperger's while similar to Autism is not acutely on the spectrum. And they are taking it out and changing the DSM.
Their whole point is on a spectrum all disorders have varying degrees of the same symptoms, but Asperger’s while showing mild symptoms of Autism also has its own unique symptoms. And the point they were trying to make was weather or not they really needed to distinguish this fact. So in the mean time they decided to just screw up the DSM. But their reasoning does logically make sense even if it does suck.
I wish I would have had the mind to save the link, but I was like well this does not apply to my speech topic.


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29 May 2010, 4:22 pm

What a load of bull; it will only serve to divide us, driving a wedge into the community and preventing a unified movement to claim our rights.

We must not fragment. We must stay unified. The .gov doesn't like civil rights movements, if the 60s are any indication (and if you're in America too), but no one and nothing can stop us gaining our rights if we stand together.



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29 May 2010, 5:14 pm

People with classic autism have some traits people with Asperger's generally don't have, and vice versa, sure. But at least in terms of behavior and experiences, they have many more similarities than differences, as far as I can tell. I don't think we entirely know what's going on inside the brain yet, for either one, but I've seen more studies saying "Asperger's and classic autism are basically the same thing" than ones saying "they're different disorders."

Even if it turns out that the genetics or brain development of classic autism and Asperger's are different, it shouldn't matter from a civil rights perspective. Autism, Aspergers, NVLD, ADD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, SPD, and everything else, are all different ways of being neurodiverse, and all have something to gain from working together. So I don't see why saying autism and Asperger's are different is any more driving a wedge than saying that autism and ADD are different, for example. Am I missing something?



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29 May 2010, 11:28 pm

Mosaicofminds wrote:
People with classic autism have some traits people with Asperger's generally don't have, and vice versa, sure. But at least in terms of behavior and experiences, they have many more similarities than differences, as far as I can tell. I don't think we entirely know what's going on inside the brain yet, for either one, but I've seen more studies saying "Asperger's and classic autism are basically the same thing" than ones saying "they're different disorders."

Even if it turns out that the genetics or brain development of classic autism and Asperger's are different, it shouldn't matter from a civil rights perspective. Autism, Aspergers, NVLD, ADD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, SPD, and everything else, are all different ways of being neurodiverse, and all have something to gain from working together. So I don't see why saying autism and Asperger's are different is any more driving a wedge than saying that autism and ADD are different, for example. Am I missing something?


I don't think you are. To be honest I have dyslexia and I can feel more for some one with Autism then I can with any NT. Also add in a little ADD and the fact that I really believe that I have aspergers and it explains me a lot more.

The dyslexia explains a little bit as to why I suck at math. But for me I'm in some ways glad I have dyslexia becasue it has made me just want to work harder in writing and reading. In fact when I was tested and years later they came back they told my parents that I had figured out away to get around my problems with reading and come up with my own system.



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02 Jun 2010, 9:21 pm

The importance of the seperate diagnosis is that we have seperate problems.
Also one "expert" did testing on me that said I should not be capable of reading, yet I routinely finish reading books in a couple of hours. (Fiction mostly for the speed reads, Discworld by Terry Pratchett etc.)



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02 Jun 2010, 9:35 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
What a load of bull; it will only serve to divide us, driving a wedge into the community and preventing a unified movement to claim our rights.

We must not fragment. We must stay unified. The .gov doesn't like civil rights movements, if the 60s are any indication (and if you're in America too), but no one and nothing can stop us gaining our rights if we stand together.


Yes but we are not denied rights, we are not segregated and we can all vote, what we need is social skills training and other forms of aid, not mass protests and fear mongering. Lumping us all in with one diagnosis will generalise what help we can get and have us all treated like the weakest in our community, LFAs will be the stereotype more than ever and we will never be able to get anyone to take us seriously ever again.



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02 Jun 2010, 10:08 pm

We are segregated. For years, basically my only interaction with the NT world was through church on Sunday. One day a week, and only part of that day. Aside from that, I left the house to see a shrink, go to a social skills group and see an occupational therapist. I also had some friends online for a few months of that time (which lasted from fall of '04 to spring of '08, or three and a half years), briefly attended a couple of youth organizations (not simultaneously) which met about once every two weeks and spent about half a year (concurrently with the internet friendships) in contact with a sociopath who taught me some Spanish. On average, besides the few-month-long aberration with the sociopath and the internet, I spent about eight hours per week outside my house, of which only five were not segregated. This is comparable to what an NT would experience in a day.

Others have been relegated to special ed and mental hospitals, and though I have no firsthand experience, I would guess that their experiences are no more integrated than mine.

I suspect that one of my teachers in fifth grade may have purposely been cruel to me because of my Asperger's.

The law doesn't say we can't vote or appear in public or anything like that, but all the same, we're denied rights.



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03 Jun 2010, 12:02 am

They aren't taking out Asperger's because it's not autism... they're taking it out because it IS autism, so there's no reason for a separate diagnosis. They're broadening autism into a single "autistic spectrum disorder" to include all autistics, those who are now diagnosed with Autistic Disorder, Asperger's, and PDD-NOS, into one diagnosis with different severity levels. Now you could have two people with nearly identical symptoms, but if one had any early speech issues they'd be diagnosed with Autistic Disorder and the other with Asperger's... and that doesn't make much sense.



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04 Jun 2010, 7:12 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
We are segregated. For years, basically my only interaction with the NT world was through church on Sunday. One day a week, and only part of that day. Aside from that, I left the house to see a shrink, go to a social skills group and see an occupational therapist. I also had some friends online for a few months of that time (which lasted from fall of '04 to spring of '08, or three and a half years), briefly attended a couple of youth organizations (not simultaneously) which met about once every two weeks and spent about half a year (concurrently with the internet friendships) in contact with a sociopath who taught me some Spanish. On average, besides the few-month-long aberration with the sociopath and the internet, I spent about eight hours per week outside my house, of which only five were not segregated. This is comparable to what an NT would experience in a day.

Others have been relegated to special ed and mental hospitals, and though I have no firsthand experience, I would guess that their experiences are no more integrated than mine.

I suspect that one of my teachers in fifth grade may have purposely been cruel to me because of my Asperger's.

The law doesn't say we can't vote or appear in public or anything like that, but all the same, we're denied rights.


This sounds voluntary to me, also name the rights denied, who says that you cannot go out and make friends, reduced social skills are one thing but locking yourself in your house for days on end just sounds dangerous (vitamin D deficency etc.) sure alone time is important, but it should go between things (events) and not years.

Secondly, The purpose of the seperate diagnoses are that each different form of autism is just that different, the links between them are already acknowledged (hence the idea of an autism spectrum) and already called ASDs.



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04 Jun 2010, 7:36 am

ColdBlooded wrote:
They aren't taking out Asperger's because it's not autism... they're taking it out because it IS autism, so there's no reason for a separate diagnosis. They're broadening autism into a single "autistic spectrum disorder" to include all autistics, those who are now diagnosed with Autistic Disorder, Asperger's, and PDD-NOS, into one diagnosis with different severity levels. Now you could have two people with nearly identical symptoms, but if one had any early speech issues they'd be diagnosed with Autistic Disorder and the other with Asperger's... and that doesn't make much sense.


Aspergers Syndrome has much different outcomes from other forms of Autism, just as PDD-NOS and LFA and HFA do, we are all on the spectrum but all of us need different aid. This will not be achieved by simply throwing us all in a single diagnosis with the name most commonly associated (thanks a lot Autism Speaks) with those on the spectrum least capable of looking after themselves. The purpose of the diagnosis is that we are all effected differently and the aid in each case is different.

Chicken Pox and Scabies are similar things, yet seperate diagnoses with very different possible outcomes, same deal with all of the SEPERATE disorders and syndromes on the Autism Spectrum.

Edit: Where I said Scabies previously I meant Shingles