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07 Sep 2008, 11:12 pm

Some of you may have heard of the CCHR, or the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a group that tries to "expose" the harms of psychiatry and psychology. They use ancient examples of psychiatry such as shock treatment, or lobotomies, as an attempt to discredit psychiatry, even though such practices are almost unheard of nowadays, and are never recommended by a professional.

The truth is that the CCHR is actually a front group for the Church of Scientology, or more popularly nowadays, the CULT of Scientology. After L. Ron Hubbard wrote Dianetics and established Scientology, he knew what the Psychiatrists would say, and were saying about Dianetics, being that they are the real experts on the psyche. So he devised a clever plan to make people think that they were evil, the enemy, etc... which is why we have the CCHR today.

What does this have to do with Aspergers? Well, since Scientologists are trained to believe that Psychiatry is basically "the devil", they will come up with bogus reasons as to why you or your child have Aspergers, autism, ADD, or any other diagnosed conditions of the mind. One reason might be that YOU did something bad in a past life (reincarnation), which is to blame for you or your child's state of mind. YOU messed up, and the only way to reverse what YOU have done, is to pay for auditing courses, just a clever way of draining your money by picking apart at your conscience.

They'll try to make you believe that they are the working alternative to drugs, since "all" drugs are "bad for you", and are used by those Nazi psychiatrists to control your mind and take over your body, solely for the benefit of their paycheck! And yes, they will equate Psychiatrists to Nazis, a good example being that their museum, Psychiatry: An Industry of Death where they may tell you that the Holocaust was influenced by psychiatry. Psychiatry, according to them, was also the cause of the 9/11 attacks. They basically pull apart any event in history that they can find to blame Psychiatry on, so hopefully you will throw your trust toward them and pay MORE money than you would with psychiatry for "treatment" that not only doesn't work, but has never been proved to work, nor is backed up by any form of science.

So, if you ever encounter one of these propaganda museums, enter at your own risk, and be aware of what they're trying to accomplished, based on brainwashing and lies. Be sure to take your brain inside with you, because you will need it. And keep in mind that the person at the desk has most likely never heard the other side of the argument, due to Scientology's constant censorship of criticism and free speech.



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08 Sep 2008, 6:02 am

Ishmael has long ago sworn an oath to destroy Scientology in all it's perverse forms!
Any sociopathic, paedophile anti-logic mangy cultmongers out there; I stab first, stab some more - then maybe ask a question or, more likely, make a quip.

I hate cults!! Even more backwards and perverse than typical religions!


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08 Sep 2008, 8:35 am

Anybody who hates psychologists and psychiatrists has at least one thing figured out right.


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17 Sep 2008, 1:46 am

inbefore chanology people arrive.


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17 Sep 2008, 8:18 am

Relyt22 wrote:
Some of you may have heard of the CCHR, or the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a group that tries to "expose" the harms of psychiatry and psychology. They use ancient examples of psychiatry such as shock treatment, or lobotomies, as an attempt to discredit psychiatry, even though such practices are almost unheard of nowadays, and are never recommended by a professional.

The truth is that the CCHR is actually a front group for the Church of Scientology, or more popularly nowadays, the CULT of Scientology. After L. Ron Hubbard wrote Dianetics and established Scientology, he knew what the Psychiatrists would say, and were saying about Dianetics, being that they are the real experts on the psyche. So he devised a clever plan to make people think that they were evil, the enemy, etc... which is why we have the CCHR today.

What does this have to do with Aspergers? Well, since Scientologists are trained to believe that Psychiatry is basically "the devil", they will come up with bogus reasons as to why you or your child have Aspergers, autism, ADD, or any other diagnosed conditions of the mind. One reason might be that YOU did something bad in a past life (reincarnation), which is to blame for you or your child's state of mind. YOU messed up, and the only way to reverse what YOU have done, is to pay for auditing courses, just a clever way of draining your money by picking apart at your conscience.

They'll try to make you believe that they are the working alternative to drugs, since "all" drugs are "bad for you", and are used by those Nazi psychiatrists to control your mind and take over your body, solely for the benefit of their paycheck! And yes, they will equate Psychiatrists to Nazis, a good example being that their museum, Psychiatry: An Industry of Death where they may tell you that the Holocaust was influenced by psychiatry. Psychiatry, according to them, was also the cause of the 9/11 attacks. They basically pull apart any event in history that they can find to blame Psychiatry on, so hopefully you will throw your trust toward them and pay MORE money than you would with psychiatry for "treatment" that not only doesn't work, but has never been proved to work, nor is backed up by any form of science.

So, if you ever encounter one of these propaganda museums, enter at your own risk, and be aware of what they're trying to accomplished, based on brainwashing and lies. Be sure to take your brain inside with you, because you will need it. And keep in mind that the person at the desk has most likely never heard the other side of the argument, due to Scientology's constant censorship of criticism and free speech.


Acutally they do have a point. Psychiatry is a field that is extremely over rated and over respected. Most of the diagnosis and pathology created by this field are culturally and socially biased. The DSM as an example assumes what good and bad behavior are although there is no absolute definition. Psychiatry does not use the scientific method thus making at most a social science although that point could be argued to. I have no problem with diagnosis or prescription of medication, but the power psychiatry is really dangerous. Psychology does not follow the scientific method either and is considered a social science. The DSM at one time was none for including homosexuality as disease. The many others are Oppositonal defiant disorder, sexual fetishes, caffeine disorder (it is really just an addiction or dependence). Although I do not completely agree with the scientologists they do have a point. The DSM, psychiatry and to some extent psychology (psychology is a gray area only some theories to blame) are why autism is considered a disease and not a disability that can be helped mostly through accomodation. By disability I mean we have difficulties that are caused by society and can be helped through accomodation I do not mean incapable. our difficulties can be improved. I would like to add that many eccentrics or average people could be labeled as mentall ill ordefective for not conforming to social norms or showing odd behavior.

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if you would like to know more there are many books even on google about the history of psychiatry and psychology. Interesting historical diagnoses such as hysteria or drapetomania (a mental illness that caused slaves to flee their masters) :lol:


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17 Sep 2008, 9:21 am

Though I do think that many psychologists and psychiatrists are doing the right thing and trying to help people, so long as places like the Judge Rotenberg Center are allowed to remain open, and so long as toadies of the pharmaceutical industry who will diagnose anybody and everybody with whatever disorder is currently fashionable to have so they can be put on drugs continue to be allowed to practice, there should be watchdog groups questioning practices. The group in the OP seems extreme, but there are some valid criticisms of psychology and psychiatry as it's practiced now.

However, if this really is a front for the Church of Scientology, they shouldn't be the ones talking about scams. :roll:



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17 Sep 2008, 12:06 pm

Ah!.. well that is interesting.. scientology is an even cult.. Tom cruise should be run over.



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17 Sep 2008, 1:30 pm

Psychiatry and (to a lesser extent) psychology are certainly not without their faults, but psychiatry is a scam, the Scientology cult is a far bigger one. :roll:

Operation Clambake is a good source of information on Scientology.



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09 Jul 2010, 7:12 am

I am an X mental patient . I am a Recovered Alcoholic and Addict . In 1981 I was diagnosed with paranoia , Manic depression . Bi polar , delusional... The list goes on and on with words that I cannot spell.
I was put on so much medication. That to this day of writing July 2010 There are areas of time from 1981 till 1989 that I can't remember because of so many drugs given to me by Mental Health.
During this time I was told that I needed the Medicine they were giving me. and I believed them.

They were the doctors and Nurses. Right ?

There is to much to write and I could get carried away and write to much , But It comes down to this. I don't know if CCHR is wrong I don't care if the are related to Christan Science. Or The
Baptist or any other religion .

They want to know about how I was miss treated in the Mental Health System. I was Miss- diagnosed . I was an Alcoholic Going terrible Dt's terrible in is self.
It is now 2010 In 1990 I started A.A. There i found out what my problems were. That I wasn't crazy and All Mental Health told me I was....
To Conclude I am writing CCHR They want to hear of my miss- treatment in The Mental system. and Believe me when I say I am Lucky to me alive and also not permanently stuck in a (State Mental Ward.) One of the last threats Mental Health Threatened me with...



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09 Jul 2010, 6:24 pm

There's a factual inaccuracy in the OP. ECT is still used.


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10 Jul 2010, 2:54 am

Warsie wrote:
inbefore chanology people arrive.

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12 Jul 2010, 12:33 am

I agree that psychiatry and psychology can be misapplied, and to VERY bad result.

However, PLEASE heed the warning that Scientology is a dangerous cult. www.xenu.net is a good resource. Even if they throw a few grains of truth in with their poison, Scientologists still offer...well, poison. If you write to them, they'll try to assimilate you into their cult. Watch out!



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12 Jul 2010, 2:14 am

Yes. Even the most misguided can stumble by accident on a truth.

And even the worst liars can tell the truth for the wrong reason.

I read a book once where a character thought a baby had died, but for her politicking needed to tell people the baby was alive. She was lying... except the baby turned out to be alive. Then everyone was really confused. She's like, "what baby?" Then he's like, "the one you were talking about." (Really loosely paraphrased.)


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12 Jul 2010, 9:27 am

I quite agree with the general tenor of the thread that Scientology is not only garbage, it is dangerous garbage to boot. I don't think there's a more ruthless organization this side of the Mafia or these days MS-13 (link).

What has always particularly impressed/scared the hell out of me re: Scientology is that

(1)they actually managed to "infiltrate" members into the IRS, something I've never heard of anyone else doing. (See: Operation Snow White (wiki link)) So...when their tax status came into question they actually had people in place to pass along IRS documents to the Church.

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(2) the actual number of people arrested and who did prison time when the whole thing came out was minuscule. As well as the fines the Church and individual members paid. Chump change for them.

and

(3) The Church of Scientology has now had its US tax-exempt status restored, at least for most of its activities. WTF? By the time the dust cleared and the FBI had been called in they must have broken hundreds of laws numerous times, clearing engaging in conspiracy tactics while doing so (e.g. acting as a coordinated criminal enterprise). And yet here they are, status quo ante as legit a religion in IRS's eyes as any other.

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So, I think I've made it clear that when I think Scientology I think some sort of Pit Viper, the kind you stay away from and back away slowly from should you ever come within ten feet of it. I'm sure as hell not going to mess with an organization that has essentially told both the IRS and the FBI to shove it, and made it stick.

However, re: CCHR, I must admit a bit of admiration for Thomas Szasz, especially for what he had to say about his discipline (he is a psychiatrist) early on in his career, late 50s and early 60s. He pointed out some serious abuses of involuntary commitment, stuff like that. Szasz's problem is that IMO his trolley jumped the tracks sometime in the mid-80s. And while he'll take money from Scientology or anyone there's no way he's personally involved with them. He's far too loose a cannon to ever fit in with a group like that.

Here's an interview with Szasz (link) on a libertarian website. Judge for yourself...I think he has a point, even where I don't agree with all of it.


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12 Jul 2010, 11:12 am

Relyt22 wrote:
Some of you may have heard of the CCHR, or the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a group that tries to "expose" the harms of psychiatry and psychology. They use ancient examples of psychiatry such as shock treatment, or lobotomies, as an attempt to discredit psychiatry, even though such practices are almost unheard of nowadays, and are never recommended by a professional.


ancient? Not a good start!



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15 Jul 2010, 2:55 pm

They should all be run over.


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