Vaccine questions

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OK, I don't believe that vaccines cause autism at all and I understand the safety concerns people have about not getting their child vaccinated. However, I'm not exactly sure why it upsets people so much when someone says that they do. Why does it?

Also, did you, or a family member with autism, receive the MMR vaccine? I did, but I don't think it caused my autism.

My uncle was born in Mexico and he never got vaccinated against anything. He is Autistic. So I know for him there is no connection in his case.

Yes i got the MMR vaccine.
Yes i have autism.

BUT

i was diagnosed around age 3
i got the MMR vaccine at 8

I assume that I got the MMR vaccine, as I've never had measles, mumps, or rubella. However, my brother and parents also probably received it, and they're all NTs.

Thimerisol, the additive that everyone was saying was the culprit, was removed almost a decade ago in the US. Autism rates still climbed. Asperger's and autism were identified BEFORE the MMR vaccine was common. There was a large population study in Poland done on people comparing the MMR vaccine and autism rates, and the only link was a small correlation suggesting the MMR vaccine was protective. (The authors thought it was just a data artifact though and something to do with insurance rates.) I know of four generations in my family that have had it, back to the 1920's. No MMR there. It's genetic. All the data says it's genetic, probably with a small environmental co-factor. I'm an aspie, and my daughter will be one too.

They thought my daughter had symptoms of autism because my having HFA was a risk factor and the mother has a developmental disability as well. They were just overzealous and at just 1 years she is starting to say words. I was speech delayed myself and had other problems. She seems to be advancing normal and above normal thus far at 1. I think regressive autism differs from original delay autism and that autism itself may be several things with similar manifestations. I just do not have all the facts and no one has all the facts so far. Also I am not an autism expert and find little interest in autism as a science or characteristic study.

Nathan Young

My friend believes there is a lot of risks associated with vaccines.

I dont know enough about it, but the did recomend i read this. only skimmed over it since he sent me it but it seems to cover a lot.

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=7061

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The study suggesting the MMR vaccine was involved was 'declared fraudulent' in a BMJ Editorial this year. Just reading the study in the first place shows it's pretty ridiculous (no control group? A sample group of 12? Inability to replicate the results? Reliance on anecdote from the parents?) Add to that BMJ's claims that Wakefield altered facts in the case histories, and the whole thing seems rather a sham.

Really, people should not worry about vaccines. It's fluoride in the drinking water we need to worry about -- they're trying to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids, people!

I at this time consider the vaccine issue a matter of public safety. Just as with anything though we should not be blinded by the scams of others. I am sure legitimate vaccine lawsuits will arise just like they have in the past and won. However this is having to do with specific vaccines and is rare. It's in the best interest of our national welfare people get vaccinations.

If lots of people stop taking vaccines, it makes them useless. The idea is to kill off the virus that's being spread, but if less than 90% of the population is vaccinated against it, then it'll just evolve to become immune to the vaccine and everyone's f**ked. So people need to stop being so stupid and just get the f**king vaccines. They won't give you autism or brain damage or whatever, they'll make your arm hurt for a few seconds FFS

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people should also make sure they are getting the right nutrition.

Most people who are living in not so sunny places are deficient in Vitamin D. Vitamin D deficiencies have been linked to low immunities to the flu.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2009-02-23

In depth guide about Vitamin D3 supplementation which has sources at the bottom. I will quote just the summary.

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Individualized immunological concerns seem relevant for the vaccine issues but again I am not a scientist.

The reasons I personally am upset by the claims are many.

First off, there is indeed the "herd immunity" aspect to consider - permit the herd immunity to drop too low, and all you're doing is giving the disease concerned more incentive, if you will, to evolve to become immune to the vaccine. Imagine a world in which, say, polio became more powerful and virulent, because it adapted to the polio vaccine...

Secondly, there is the fact that these claims are almost always phrased in a fashion that seems accusatory - as if those of us who had our children vaccinated deliberately gave them autism (even when the vaccinations were delayed, but the autism symptoms began to appear anyway...).

Third is the implication that if my condition is caused by those eee-vill vaccines, there is therefore something wrong with me - something that needs to be fixed. I disagree profoundly with this paradigm, as does my wife.

Fourth, there is of course my (very aspie-like) annoyance with people who misuse, misquote, and/or ignore scientific disciplines - especially when they misuse one aspect, misquote another, and ignore aspects that disprove their arguments. These people appear in many fields of endeavor, but do proliferate quite a bit in the antivax groups. (They also tend to crop up in astrology, UFOlogy, and anti-global-climate-change groups.)

Not MMR, but pertusis. My son was developing normally by the pediatrician's standards (though I still think he had some level of autism and she was blind to it). Before he had his last DTaP he had a vocabulary of about 20 words. Afterward he lost every word he knew except for "good bye". It was another 6 months before he started regaining words. I don't think vaccinations exclusively cause autism but strongly suspect some can make matters measurably worse.

There is no actual evidence supporting that vaccines make things worse.

What happens is that children tend to be vaccinated around the same time that some autistic symptoms show themselves (like losing language). This is correlation, not causation.

[quote="Verdandi"]There is no actual evidence supporting that vaccines make things worse.

What happens is that children tend to be vaccinated around the same time that some autistic symptoms show themselves (like losing language). This is correlation, not causation.[/quote

I'm unaware of any studies exclusively concerning children who've regressed and vaccines.