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03 Jun 2011, 2:20 pm

No doubt, people from different countries would have different ideas about AS.

I am reading a paper on the general idea about people with mental disorders in Chinese society.

I am a lttle bit radical after I finished it.. Hail AS!! But it is a sad thing to ignore difference...

UK is much better on this point :wink: according to my experience.

How about other countries??

I am going to read more papers now!

Radical is not a good way to anything, we should try to understand it and find a solution. (ahimsa!) :P

Every thing exist must have its reason, therefore let's find out!

Please tell me what do you know, as long as you feel comfortable.

Thank you very much for your help! :heart:



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03 Jun 2011, 2:30 pm

I can say here in Italy autism is almost unknown.
Some italians believe that autistic is synonymous of driver(autista in italian)


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03 Jun 2011, 2:49 pm

Nordlys wrote:
I can say here in Italy autism is almost unknown.
Some italians believe that autistic is synonymous of driver(autista in italian)


To me it means that nobody will suffer discrimination from others on this point in Italy!

Great, glorious Roman Empire!!

EU seems much better than east asia on this point so far...

I am reading about Japanese now...



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03 Jun 2011, 3:40 pm

Why, nobody seems really interested in it :cry: (Apart from the Italian one)



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03 Jun 2011, 7:19 pm

I am interested in this, but I don't live in a place where it isn't well recognised. You still get a big lack of understanding at times though, but it could be much worse.
I could imagine how it could be in China and similar areas. What part of the world do you think is the most left in the dark here (open question to anyone)?


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03 Jun 2011, 9:08 pm

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I am interested in this, but I don't live in a place where it isn't well recognised. You still get a big lack of understanding at times though, but it could be much worse.
I could imagine how it could be in China and similar areas. What part of the world do you think is the most left in the dark here (open question to anyone)?


Yes. I admit that, and I will do more.
"left in the dark", probably some small countries in south Asia and some in Africa, maybe south America?

But if you talk about the discrimination people would suffer from that, I difinitely going to say China, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, maybe Singapore..because the notion of people suffering from that is not the same one as "left in the dark".



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06 Jun 2011, 6:02 am

I was once put in a special Ed class because I skipped some years of school.I had a meltdown and they all kinda saw from that that I am high functioning and I was put in something called "strive" and than I was placed in normal classes next year.There was a lot of anger that year because I hated my AS until a week or so ago.I skipped a few months of school because I was not going to be put in a social skills or autism class.I got put in a Christian private school(hated it more than school EVER).I switch to the public school later because I learned how to deny some agency's services(right before I got into the Christian private school).It was terrible pretending to be Christian by day.I once got a autism help for parent conference(something stupid like that) and I was angry.This kid said "I got the same thing, just throw it away." I don't understand why he said that.He acts different from me.He was a delinquent.He was black and his hair was weird.He had a twin ad well.I might be in AP classes next year.



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06 Jun 2011, 2:23 pm

In Canada they recognize full blown autism more then the high-functioning kinds, the more "Visible/apparent" the more attention it gets. Also there seems to be more support for children then for adults living with aspergers. Then theres the related employment barrier faced by adults with aspergers.

There is a employment equity Act thing in Canada (law set by the Federal Government) for "Visible minorities", Women and, Natives and "Disabled", The reality of it is, they won't hire a white male who says they have aspergers as a disability, because its not a visible disability, and they want it be visible to "show" they are hiring people equally. I don't know how true that is, but what I have heard in school and from other people it sounds like it is true.

Also saying you have a disability on applications or within the first 3 months after being hired is a bad idea as well (if working for smaller companies, or less known companies), on companies that claim to follow the Employment Equity Act I will say I have a disability, because it will get my application to the top.

I am also looking into getting on ODSP (Ontario Disability and support program), which does have employment support programs, however a friend of mine who tried the employment support program it said its on a first one first serve basis, where you have to go sit in a office from 4am-5pm and hope to be lucky enough to get a few hours of work a day, and you back to square one the next day, and the jobs arnt very good(Low end laborer work) and just minimum wage. They also have subsidized housing. If you get lucky you get a good place in a good location, however alot of the time you end up living somewhere where theres a lot of drug addicts and crime(Typical of any subsidized housing). Also when your on ODSP you only get around 1000 dollars a month, and with rent being around 600-700 for a small apartments(unless you live in subsidized housing), and power being around 100 a month, you don't have much left over for food, and anything really.



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06 Jun 2011, 2:28 pm

I got a message on LinkedIn about a company in Turkey that is trying to emulate Specialisterne (company founded just for ASD folk) in Denmark. I presume that means there is a reasonable population in Turkey.



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19 Jun 2011, 11:27 am

Meow1971 wrote:
I got a message on LinkedIn about a company in Turkey that is trying to emulate Specialisterne (company founded just for ASD folk) in Denmark. I presume that means there is a reasonable population in Turkey.


Can we presume that the Turkish government have taken notice on it? If a company is trying to emulate Specialisterne...as you said.

What do you think about the treatment of AS in Islamic countries? I can hardly find informations on this point..



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19 Jun 2011, 11:34 am

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There is a employment equity Act thing in Canada (law set by the Federal Government) for "Visible minorities", Women and, Natives and "Disabled", The reality of it is, they won't hire a white male who says they have aspergers as a disability, because its not a visible disability, and they want it be visible to "show" they are hiring people equally. I don't know how true that is, but what I have heard in school and from other people it sounds like it is true.

Also saying you have a disability on applications or within the first 3 months after being hired is a bad idea as well (if working for smaller companies, or less known companies), on companies that claim to follow the Employment Equity Act I will say I have a disability, because it will get my application to the top.

I am also looking into getting on ODSP (Ontario Disability and support program), which does have employment support programs, however a friend of mine who tried the employment support program it said its on a first one first serve basis, where you have to go sit in a office from 4am-5pm and hope to be lucky enough to get a few hours of work a day, and you back to square one the next day, and the jobs arnt very good(Low end laborer work) and just minimum wage. They also have subsidized housing. If you get lucky you get a good place in a good location, however alot of the time you end up living somewhere where theres a lot of drug addicts and crime(Typical of any subsidized housing). Also when your on ODSP you only get around 1000 dollars a month, and with rent being around 600-700 for a small apartments(unless you live in subsidized housing), and power being around 100 a month, you don't have much left over for food, and anything really.


Employment Equity Act.. But AS seems arenot including in it.. Is AS includes or not??

However, it is much better than any countries that we have mentioned above. What a difference!



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19 Jun 2011, 11:43 am

I grew up in the US and currently live in the Czech Republic. Until about 20 years ago, this country was under the Russian communist regime, and so the culture developed very differently. At that time, you were either a functioning, full-fledged, working member of society, or you weren't. The second category included all varieties of mental illness, as well as physical disabilities such as needing a wheelchair to get around. Any of these "invalids" were stuck in group homes where society wouldn't have to look at them.

I expected that this would lead to heavy discrimination against autism, but I was very surprised when I came here to find just the opposite. In fact, there is a very broad acceptance of people being "different" in any way. I don't think there are many diagnoses of autism or other neurological conditions at all. There are also very few people in wheelchairs, but many more people on crutches or walking with canes. I think what happened is, people who might be put in a wheelchair in the west instead found ways to get around without a wheelchair if it was at all possible. And nobody wanted their loved ones to be declared useless and put away, so people just broadened their definition of "normal" to include all kind of strange behavior.

I've met several people in my time here who I am absolutely convinced have some sort of ASD, but no one seems to notice or care. The most people say is "yeah, that guy is pretty unique." Even my closest friend here I am 100% positive has asperger syndrome, but when I brought the topic up with him he was very surprised. No one ever told him his behavior is unusual or inappropriate. He always did fairly well in school and had plenty of friends. His whole life he's always just adapted to the situation as required, accepting whatever difficulties he faced as a normal part of life. I explained the condition to him and told him about some of my experiences, and he admitted that yes, that does describe him pretty well, but that was the end of it. He's not concerned about labeling himself just because he's a bit odd, since it really doesn't cause him any major problems.

The most positive upshot of all this is that while I was lonely and bullied in the US, never had any friends growing up, here I had no trouble at all. Within a month of moving here, where I knew absolutely no one, I had a glorious array of intelligent and interesting friends, none of whom has the slightest problem with me.

So I guess the short version of all that is... This place is pretty friendly. And don't worry, they don't put people away for being in wheelchairs anymore. :)



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19 Jun 2011, 11:44 am

In the Vnited States avtism is seen as a disease and carries the same stigma as cancer. Bosses think that all avtistics shovld be fired and their drivers licenses revoked becavse they are too dangerovs. School teachers think that avtistics are disrvptive becavse they ask too many qvestions.



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19 Jun 2011, 11:50 am

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Can we presume that the Turkish government have taken notice on it? If a company is trying to emulate Specialisterne...as you said.

What do you think about the treatment of AS in Islamic countries? I can hardly find informations on this point..


I cannot find anything regarding the Turkish government response in English but there might be articles in Turkish that would be a bit of a mystery to me.

As for AS in Islamic countries, and I can hear my Turkish friends telling me now "Turkey is a secular country!" [they have similar beliefs and tensions to the US in that they do not have a state religion by law], I found a few articles and blog posts but nothing authoritative. I wonder if there would be more in Arabic or Farsi?



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19 Jun 2011, 12:28 pm

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3758660.html#3758660

Here is a very valuable post about the Autistic Pride day in Israel. Thanks for the permission from an Isaral man :P

And references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_Pride_Day

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=129617777088716

I will update it when I find more infos



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19 Jun 2011, 3:59 pm

kotshka wrote:
I grew up in the US and currently live in the Czech Republic. Until about 20 years ago, this country was under the Russian communist regime, and so the culture developed very differently. At that time, you were either a functioning, full-fledged, working member of society, or you weren't. The second category included all varieties of mental illness, as well as physical disabilities such as needing a wheelchair to get around. Any of these "invalids" were stuck in group homes where society wouldn't have to look at them.

I expected that this would lead to heavy discrimination against autism, but I was very surprised when I came here to find just the opposite. In fact, there is a very broad acceptance of people being "different" in any way. I don't think there are many diagnoses of autism or other neurological conditions at all. There are also very few people in wheelchairs, but many more people on crutches or walking with canes. I think what happened is, people who might be put in a wheelchair in the west instead found ways to get around without a wheelchair if it was at all possible. And nobody wanted their loved ones to be declared useless and put away, so people just broadened their definition of "normal" to include all kind of strange behavior.

I've met several people in my time here who I am absolutely convinced have some sort of ASD, but no one seems to notice or care. The most people say is "yeah, that guy is pretty unique." Even my closest friend here I am 100% positive has asperger syndrome, but when I brought the topic up with him he was very surprised. No one ever told him his behavior is unusual or inappropriate. He always did fairly well in school and had plenty of friends. His whole life he's always just adapted to the situation as required, accepting whatever difficulties he faced as a normal part of life. I explained the condition to him and told him about some of my experiences, and he admitted that yes, that does describe him pretty well, but that was the end of it. He's not concerned about labeling himself just because he's a bit odd, since it really doesn't cause him any major problems.

The most positive upshot of all this is that while I was lonely and bullied in the US, never had any friends growing up, here I had no trouble at all. Within a month of moving here, where I knew absolutely no one, I had a glorious array of intelligent and interesting friends, none of whom has the slightest problem with me.

So I guess the short version of all that is... This place is pretty friendly. And don't worry, they don't put people away for being in wheelchairs anymore. :)


Czech Republic. You made me suddenly think about Milan Kundera and Franz Kafka.

Both are my favourite writers. And I am really touched by your warm, gentle post.

Nothing like the cold and cruel Soviet Union. But pastoral....