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20 Mar 2011, 4:17 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t13aB4vmY7k[/youtube]

I made this video because I do not believe in autism pride. I do not believe in having pride in a disability I'd like to be removed. I am not depressed about myself. I just don't buy into the pride scheme.

I don't really trust them.

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20 Mar 2011, 5:33 am

I beg to differ. I'm quite proud of my autism and if I was forced to be cured and healed, than I wouldn't be the same person. If I wasn't on the spectrum, I wouldn't be that wonderful and eccentric Kinks Fan that you know. I would be exactly like all the NT females who are my age, into Top 40, American Idol, America's Next Top Model and What Not To Wear. I don't want that for myself. To cure me would be to take away a huge part of my identity, and I don't want that for myself. I'm different and interesting because of my autism, not in spite of it. I do as I am, because I am who I am. To change me would be a big rejection to me. Please don't question what I said, either or else I won't post in this sub-forum anymore.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:35 am

Yes but it's still fun to make the videos. This is the fist of a scheduled 127 videos. The featured ones will run on rotating ads on Google and special placements on YouTube. Some are also being designed for in video ads for relevant searches. Just want to create some room for diversity of opinion within the self-advocacy community.

I plan on hitting a home run with the don't stigmatize me by calling me a diagnostic label "autistic" campaign. This is very entertaining. Yet I think diversity of opinion can coexist.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:41 am

The way to create room for diversity is to make room for neurodiversity.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:43 am

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I beg to differ. I'm quite proud of my autism and if I was forced to be cured and healed, than I wouldn't be the same person. If I wasn't on the spectrum, I wouldn't be that wonderful and eccentric Kinks Fan that you know. I would be exactly like all the NT females who are my age, into Top 40, American Idol, America's Next Top Model and What Not To Wear. I don't want that for myself. To cure me would be to take away a huge part of my identity, and I don't want that for myself. I'm different and interesting because of my autism, not in spite of it. I do as I am, because I am who I am. To change me would be a big rejection to me. Please don't question what I said, either or else I won't post in this sub-forum anymore.


I really don't believe you. I don't think cure would make me into a pop star. Plus individuals can accept a cure or decline it should one be developed. I hope you understand that I don't believe in forcing you to do anything against your human rights even in potential. I like talking to you on the forum.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:43 am

look im not realy sure how proud i am of my personality and i simply dont know if im that proud or not.i dont see why one shouldnt be proud.everyone else is proud of evrything they are and what they know.your certainly no humble about your advocay network.the way you cut us down on this forum proves your not humble.pride doesnt have to mean millitant anti cure and the belief autism speaks is secretly run by heimrich himler in a bunker in argentina.but why should we roll over and play dead when the rest of the world is so proud



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20 Mar 2011, 5:45 am

ci wrote:
Yes but it's still fun to make the videos. This is the fist of a scheduled 127 videos. The featured ones will run on rotating ads on Google and special placements on YouTube. Some are also being designed for in video ads for relevant searches. Just want to create some room for diversity of opinion within the self-advocacy community.

I plan on hitting a home run with the don't stigmatize me by calling me a diagnostic label "autistic" campaign. This is very entertaining. Yet I think diversity of opinion can coexist.


Why not take all the money you'd waste on that crap and donate it to an autism charity? :roll:

Anyway, autism pride is a good thing. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and you can disagree with it if you wish, but it's still a good thing for a group of people to be proud of who they are rather than wish they were something else.



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20 Mar 2011, 5:46 am

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look im not realy sure how proud i am of my personality and i simply dont know if im that proud or not.i dont see why one shouldnt be proud.everyone else is proud of evrything they are and what they know.your certainly no humble about your advocay network.the way you cut us down on this forum proves your not humble.pride doesnt have to mean millitant anti cure and the belief autism speaks is secretly run by heimrich himler in a bunker in argentina.but why should we roll over and play dead when the rest of the world is so proud


I think being proud of oneself is good. Why focus on the negatives? I don't focus on negatives and I very positive and view challenges as obstacles to overcome. Also it seems many people cut others down in these kinds of politics. I'd like to see less of that and more constructive cooperation to improve lives. I don't partake in Autism Speaks and I can speak for myself of course.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:46 am

BRB, creating "Autism Pride: Yes Please!" videos.



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20 Mar 2011, 5:48 am

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ci wrote:
Yes but it's still fun to make the videos. This is the fist of a scheduled 127 videos. The featured ones will run on rotating ads on Google and special placements on YouTube. Some are also being designed for in video ads for relevant searches. Just want to create some room for diversity of opinion within the self-advocacy community.

I plan on hitting a home run with the don't stigmatize me by calling me a diagnostic label "autistic" campaign. This is very entertaining. Yet I think diversity of opinion can coexist.


Why not take all the money you'd waste on that crap and donate it to an autism charity? :roll:

Anyway, autism pride is a good thing. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and you can disagree with it if you wish, but it's still a good thing for a group of people to be proud of who they are rather than wish they were something else.


I don't view autism as what is good about me. I actually don't think about autism and myself to much. It's just a label to me. If anything I'd much enjoy rejecting a label all together. The label just gets me social services I need. Having pride in yourself or being proud of yourself tends to be a natural thing unless you suffer from depression. To me a label is a negative thing and I don't really want to think of it that much.

I run an autism charity to be already that is very successful.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:50 am

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ci wrote:
Yes but it's still fun to make the videos. This is the fist of a scheduled 127 videos. The featured ones will run on rotating ads on Google and special placements on YouTube. Some are also being designed for in video ads for relevant searches. Just want to create some room for diversity of opinion within the self-advocacy community.

I plan on hitting a home run with the don't stigmatize me by calling me a diagnostic label "autistic" campaign. This is very entertaining. Yet I think diversity of opinion can coexist.


Why not take all the money you'd waste on that crap and donate it to an autism charity? :roll:

Anyway, autism pride is a good thing. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and you can disagree with it if you wish, but it's still a good thing for a group of people to be proud of who they are rather than wish they were something else.


I don't view autism as what is good about me. I actually don't think about autism and myself to much. It's just a label to me. If anything I'd much enjoy rejecting a label all together. The label just gets me social services I need. Having pride in yourself or being proud of yourself tends to be a natural thing unless you suffer from depression. To me a label is a negative thing and I don't really want to think of it that much.


Then why are you on an autism forum? And why are you making s**tloads of videos about autism? If you don't care about the autism label - if that's all you think it is - then why are you even here?



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20 Mar 2011, 5:55 am

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ci wrote:
Yes but it's still fun to make the videos. This is the fist of a scheduled 127 videos. The featured ones will run on rotating ads on Google and special placements on YouTube. Some are also being designed for in video ads for relevant searches. Just want to create some room for diversity of opinion within the self-advocacy community.

I plan on hitting a home run with the don't stigmatize me by calling me a diagnostic label "autistic" campaign. This is very entertaining. Yet I think diversity of opinion can coexist.


Why not take all the money you'd waste on that crap and donate it to an autism charity? :roll:

Anyway, autism pride is a good thing. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and you can disagree with it if you wish, but it's still a good thing for a group of people to be proud of who they are rather than wish they were something else.


I don't view autism as what is good about me. I actually don't think about autism and myself to much. It's just a label to me. If anything I'd much enjoy rejecting a label all together. The label just gets me social services I need. Having pride in yourself or being proud of yourself tends to be a natural thing unless you suffer from depression. To me a label is a negative thing and I don't really want to think of it that much.


Then why are you on an autism forum? And why are you making s**tloads of videos about autism? If you don't care about the autism label - if that's all you think it is - then why are you even here?


It's just a word I'd rather not think to much of. If I focused to much on it I think I'd become negative. For me autism is not something that is my personality but my individuality honestly rejects the label. On a day to day basis in my personal self-considerations I do not think about it to much. The videos are a way of creating the potential of others rejecting the label as well and that is what I'm doing. I reject the label and the implied negatives in day to day life and just get the help I need because of the label.


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20 Mar 2011, 5:57 am

But the "label" only implies negative things if we let it. This whole thing against autism pride only makes it easier for autism to be portrayed as a negative thing - the whole point of the pride movement is to take away the negative connotations from autism.



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20 Mar 2011, 5:59 am

ci, you're depressing me. Fight the groups that don't allow any Autistics to have a voice before you attack those who have found self acceptance. I'm glad that I'm me, exactly as I am and there are many other people on the Autistic Spectrum who feel the same.

I accept the fact you're not happy with yourself and that there are others that feel similarly to you but please fight the people who don't listen to anyone on the Autistic Spectrum first before you attack people who are proud to be themselves exactly as they are.

People are people, NT or Aspie alike. It is the lack of acceptance that hurts most of us (regardless of neurology). People who look different are hurt when they are rejected because of how they look, people who have different religious beliefs are hurt when they are rejected and I could go on and on.

The fact of neurodiversity doesn't make a life easier but it is a fact. Trying to say "no, it's a disease or disability" is not true. It's genetic, part of the many differences in the DNA strand. Brain scans have shown that our brains are actually wired differently than other peoples.


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20 Mar 2011, 6:00 am

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But the "label" only implies negative things if we let it. This whole thing against autism pride only makes it easier for autism to be portrayed as a negative thing - the whole point of the pride movement is to take away the negative connotations from autism.


I understand and agree. But by making the autism label a *good thing instead of the negative thing I fear people will not understand I need help. If I tell you why I need help I feel I'd be rejected, called pity and so on. There is allot of wrong things in pride advocacy I just cannot agree with because of the things said. I just don't trust the autism pride approach.


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20 Mar 2011, 6:01 am

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ci, you're depressing me. Fight the groups that don't allow any Autistics to have a voice before you attack those who have found self acceptance. I'm glad that I'm me, exactly as I am and there are many other people on the Autistic Spectrum who feel the same.

I accept the fact you're not happy with yourself and that there are others that feel similarly to you but please fight the people who don't listen to anyone on the Autistic Spectrum first before you attack people who are proud to be themselves exactly as they are.

People are people, NT or Aspie alike. It is the lack of acceptance that hurts most of us (regardless of neurology). People who look different are hurt when they are rejected because of how they look, people who have different religious beliefs are hurt when they are rejected and I could go on and on.

The fact of neurodiversity doesn't make a life easier but it is a fact. Trying to say "no, it's a disease or disability" is not true. It's genetic, part of the many differences in the DNA strand. Brain scans have shown that our brains are actually wired differently than other peoples.


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ci wrote:
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But the "label" only implies negative things if we let it. This whole thing against autism pride only makes it easier for autism to be portrayed as a negative thing - the whole point of the pride movement is to take away the negative connotations from autism.


I understand and agree. But by making the autism label a food thing instead of the negative thing I fear people will not understand I need help. If I tell you why I need help I feel I'd be rejected, called pity and so on. There is allot of wrong things in pride advocacy I just cannot agree with because of the things said. I just don't trust the autism pride approach.


Lots of people need help, doesn't mean they need pity or that there's anything wrong with them. No man is an island and all that.