You Folks Are Fascinating

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You Folks Are Fascinating

Some of the Aspies want to start separate societies called communes. When expressing difficulties and needs of support some call that pity. I would like to understand who some of you are and as or should awareness of online advocates grow it will not be just me wondering. In offline advocacy the actions of online advocates have created stereotypes assumed of me simply because I am an autism self-advocate.

Ultimately the online advocates suffer from weaknesses that if needed could remove credibility. Things like who the hell are they anyways? Why do they hate people they call N.T’s and why do they call others ignorant. I may have autism but I don't hate people nor do I think they hate me.

There are great conflicts of interest residing in the collective autism self-advocacy social sphere. They are issues which I project cannot but if possible can only remotely be resolved. Allow me to outline bias and conflict of interest for a moment briefly.

1. Selective Abortion & The Image of Autism
2. Self-Esteem (Pride) & The Science of Autism
3. Quality of Life pursuits & Pride Politics /with combined image of autism

Did you know?

The Autism Pride modality can be used to pressure individuals, groups and political parties to represent a disabling condition when assumed as an identity as not in great need of help. The world of politics is quite a monster and political interest can be manipulative.

The law says individuals have the right to dignity and treatment. However common sense denotes the right to prides dignity does not supersede another individuals belief of dignity nor the right to treatment research including awareness to enable treatment pursuits having to do with inclusion for instance. When pride politics state something is insulting I don't tend to fall for it but instead the possabilics are analysed. In order to protect the interest of others I believe vigilance is needed and in order for progress to be made for the human rights of others I also believe smart minds need to begin to take some notes.

I will continue from time to time to write articles of interest in this sub-forum. Look forward to an article titled "Unhighjacking Neurodiversity" and other thought provoking articles to come. My goal is to create effective social change to end bickering to focus on real world changes for those in need.

Nathan Young

Never let go of your dream!

I believe that every individual has the right to dignity and treatment. What you are saying is good, we need awareness of Aspergers and need to get rid of those stereotypes associated with Aspergers. I cannot express enough that I want to be treated like an equal and not like an idiot, I'm smart and capable of achieving great things when I put my mind to it. All the best to you, I look forward to more of your articles

1. I have no ides what connection or conflict there is between "Selective Abortion" & "The Image of Autism", nor what you mean to say about either.
2. "Self-Esteem" does not equate to "(Pride)", and I have no idea what that has to do with "The Science of Autism", or indeed what "The Science of Autism" is.
3. "Quality of Life pursuits & Pride Politics /with combined image of autism" seems just a string of vaguely emotive words.

By titling the thread "You Folks Are Fascinating" I take it you are distancing yourself from the bulk of the membership. I certainly find most of what you write to be incomprehensible. It would be nice to hear you answer any of the key questions with a simple "yes" or "no". For example:

1. Do you feel that the emphasis on genetic research, as espoused by "Autism Speaks", is a good use of donations to that group?
2. Do you believe autism is a disease that must be eradicated?
3. Do you think autistics should be taught to act like everyone else?

Remember: "yes" or "no" answers only.

I had the same kind of feeling and difficulty.

ok well i think you make some good points ci but i dont think your against autistic,your very much in favor of autistic pride.you dont like aspergers pride and becaue you have a kanner syndrome diagnosis the classic and orginal form of autism you see your self as superior to people with aspergers syndrome.in other words your more autistic than we are hence you feel superior.just my little theory,but i think you know im right

You have asked questions that try to derive my personal beliefs. I am not as rigid as you would like for me to be to serve a political interest. Therefore I will take the time to separate my personal beliefs, self-centered opinions of autism in context to myself, the social peer theory and the establishments model to write a comprehensive reply.

I think the whole notion of superiority and inferiority is a mental waste and is an affliction. The post was to derive attention in the same kind of way as how online advocates have derived offline attention. I'm using similar tactics. Also I do not pay much attention to the diagnostic theory because I don't bother as to me they are just labels. To me saying I am autistic is a pet peeve because it is like saying I am a disorder which can be connotative that am less human or should be considered separate from other human beings. Perhaps this notion of superiority is a result of a felt threat that because I am more of the label which others hold to be important to the self-association they feel less unique then I am and socially less relevant in context to it. This topic and post however is ultimately about getting others to use their social influences to derive more profound, positive and empowering change in the offline lives of individuals that experience a separation and lack of inclusion from the mainstream which I'd suspect people with A.S have a tendency of experiencing as well.

I do not understand "derive my personal beliefs".
I do not understand "I am not as rigid as you would like for me to be to serve a political interest".
I do not understand "Therefore I will take the time to separate my personal beliefs, self-centered opinions of autism in context to myself, the social peer theory and the establishments model to write a comprehensive reply".
However, I do worry that your "comprehensive reply" will be even more difficult to read than this short non-reply.

I self-advocate, which I find hard. I also try to advocate for, and socialise(sic) with, other autistics. I try (and sometimes fail) to keep my sentences short and clear. I try to avoid confusion or obfuscation(sic).

Then I will try to explain pride, dignity and relevant human emotions but as it is it appears to be writing requiring a one hour writing session. To note people will say they do not understand something to protect their beliefs in typical social interactions. So I will be as detailed as possible but if someone does not wish to understand to protect a belief, interest and or to assure not being rejected by peer pressure there is little I can do about that.

You and I share a common trait: Editorial Verbosity ... and I say that with all due respect. Personally, I can usually (but not always) sift through your stuff and "hear you", so to speak, but people like you and me must learn to cull things down to relevant facts if we want other people to ever actually here what we mean to be saying ... and that can be a lot of work for us on their behalf.

Perhaps but simple notions in socio-political frameworks can be very complicated having direct and indirect causal possabilics. I am certainly not an editor but there are governing rights within society and to understand how these rights are effected given the intricate social, emotional and legalistic world is not always easy to explain. Centrally it comes down to cultures as a whole for some issues whereas to define a condition one needs help with tends to need to derive the attention by means of profound expressions that may not be compatible with some forms of dignity whereas others feel dignity is preserved and enabled by means of creative expressions to derive the adaptations within culture(s).

Example:

Autism is a disease.

Dignity..

Prides dignity and ones self-image is insulted.

Preservation and dignity whereas the self-image is not so attached to the label which is perceived to be the hindering and it is dignifying to separate the two to create improvement.

Well said, imo ... and now take another look at how you might better- (more-clearly-) word the thoughts in your second sentence of your above paragraph.

Okiedoke.

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I give up. I cannot follow any of this - including why a music video has any relevance.