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29 Jul 2011, 1:38 pm

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29 Jul 2011, 1:43 pm

i agree that the boy shouldn't have been placed in that school. however, i believe that some mainstream schools can work for some autistic kids. I know a special school wouldn't work for me, they don't have very good schools for kids with as or hfa in my area. most of them are for kids with stereotypical autism.



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29 Jul 2011, 2:02 pm

he's 13? he looks 18.


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30 Jul 2011, 3:31 am

ocdgirl123 wrote:
I agree that the boy shouldn't have been placed in that school. HOWEVER, I believe that SOME mainstream schools CAN work for SOME autistic kids.


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30 Jul 2011, 11:25 am

that is so terrible



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30 Jul 2011, 5:23 pm

ocdgirl123 wrote:
i agree that the boy shouldn't have been placed in that school. however, i believe that some mainstream schools can work for some autistic kids. I know a special school wouldn't work for me, they don't have very good schools for kids with as or hfa in my area. most of them are for kids with stereotypical autism.


I just don't get what's the point of sending an autistic child to a school at all if the teachers and administrators feel that the only way to deal with autistic meltdowns is to call the police (who would know EVEN LESS about autism than the special ed teachers)! This is a story I've seen a hundred times in a hundred different scenarios and it just doesn't make sense to me. A special ed degree suggests that you would know something about dealing with your students and knowing about their conditions. Now granted this particular case mentioned in the thread isn't completely related, but you would think they would've gotten his teacher to calm him down or something before calling the police.

Now this story is just absolutely terrible, probably the most ridiculous case of an autistic child being arrested at school I have ever heard of:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bted32ku-uM&feature=related[/youtube]



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31 Jul 2011, 12:23 am

That's outrageous. There are better ways to deal with autistic students.


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31 Jul 2011, 1:59 am

That is why specialized environments with behavioral supports should be put in place as a mandate. All with the hope of when chosen mainstream inclusion as part of an IPP. The police do not have specialized training and only consider a hostile person or someone that is not reacting perfectly within acceptable perimeters violating conduct and as a protectionistic policy it would seem escalate situations at times for ultimate control of the matter. They are not professional behavioral intervention specialist.


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02 Aug 2011, 10:39 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:
ocdgirl123 wrote:
i agree that the boy shouldn't have been placed in that school. however, i believe that some mainstream schools can work for some autistic kids. I know a special school wouldn't work for me, they don't have very good schools for kids with as or hfa in my area. most of them are for kids with stereotypical autism.


I just don't get what's the point of sending an autistic child to a school at all if the teachers and administrators feel that the only way to deal with autistic meltdowns is to call the police (who would know EVEN LESS about autism than the special ed teachers)! This is a story I've seen a hundred times in a hundred different scenarios and it just doesn't make sense to me. A special ed degree suggests that you would know something about dealing with your students and knowing about their conditions. Now granted this particular case mentioned in the thread isn't completely related, but you would think they would've gotten his teacher to calm him down or something before calling the police.

Now this story is just absolutely terrible, probably the most ridiculous case of an autistic child being arrested at school I have ever heard of:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bted32ku-uM&feature=related[/youtube]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwG8_tO-hsc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwG8_tO-hsc
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03 Aug 2011, 3:00 am

ci wrote:
That is why specialized environments with behavioral supports should be put in place as a mandate. They are not professional behavioral intervention specialist.


They don't need to be ci. :/ If you can't predict simple motivations you're an idiot, not some behaviour specialist.



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05 Aug 2011, 11:04 am

With the 6th grade student who was handcuffed:

The father asks, all the kids are making noise and he gets singled out for going la, la, la? Yes, we as people on the spectrum, when we make noise or be ourselves, merely because we are a little bit 'different,' some other people in an authoritarian mindset or not at their best, can be sometimes rubbed the wrong way. So, the point is not to stop being yourself, certainly not. Just add easy, casual skills of phasing down in stages if an environment starts to become aggressively nonaccepting.

And secondly, you can't win an argument with a police officer. The boy tried to have a rational argument, and the officer was already in an 'authority' mode. That is a low percentage move. Yes, I recommend go along at the time, and then later have a sit down meeting with an advocate present. This makes a world of difference and changes the whole dynamic.



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05 Aug 2011, 11:59 am

Gedrene wrote:
ci wrote:
That is why specialized environments with behavioral supports should be put in place as a mandate. They are not professional behavioral intervention specialist.


They don't need to be ci. :/ If you can't predict simple motivations you're an idiot, not some behaviour specialist.


Depending on individual yes it's needed. There is Crises prevention and intervention certifications and in general behavioral aid training.


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05 Aug 2011, 2:03 pm

ci wrote:
Depending on individual yes it's needed. There is Crises prevention and intervention certifications and in general behavioral aid training.


No, I am sorry ci, but I have actually helped people like us in schools The official system is labyrinthine, inefficient and frankly unpleasant. The official system has been happy to receive my help and I am happy to say that I have managed to save one boy from a system of constant abuse and bring him out of tailspin and I expect no money for it.



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05 Aug 2011, 2:50 pm

Gedrene wrote:
ci wrote:
Depending on individual yes it's needed. There is Crises prevention and intervention certifications and in general behavioral aid training.


No, I am sorry ci, but I have actually helped people like us in schools The official system is labyrinthine, inefficient and frankly unpleasant. The official system has been happy to receive my help and I am happy to say that I have managed to save one boy from a system of constant abuse and bring him out of tailspin and I expect no money for it.


Then you have saved the system money. However I believe it is the right of individuals with autism that professionals and otherwise staff have the necessary training. You will not be their to help every person with autism in all corners of the earth whenever there is a need. Such training is fairly standard practice and very affordable where I live. In fact it is mandated for any staff \ employee working around qualifying individuals.


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06 Aug 2011, 12:55 pm

Gedrene wrote:
. . . The official system is labyrinthine, inefficient and frankly unpleasant. The official system has been happy to receive my help and I am happy to say that I have managed to save one boy from a system of constant abuse and bring him out of tailspin and I expect no money for it.

That is a good thing, and I'm glad you were able to help. :fish:



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08 Aug 2011, 3:48 am

i think it's disgusting that the officers were not trained to deal with autistic students.
they should have been able to realize that he was not exhibiting threatening behavior, but was in distress.