The autism spectrum is a partial lie

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If we are on a spectrum of the same problem, then why does it seem we always talk about different ways to a solution? Yet, whether it be cure, self-determination or political agitation and how may we be correct in our own personal experience?

Second, why is it people must insist that their various, curious personal problems somehow are part of autism like insomnia, being polite and lack of empathy when from my own personal experience these are often environmentally influenced? (e.g. through experience, personality of peers, relatives etc.) People insist we are set on a rail because of whatever part of the spectrum we are on, yet I know a better, more understanding and warmer environment often lessens the symptoms with which we are diagnosed despite being at the same level of the spectrum as it was.

I used to horrendously misunderstand but by poking holes in my lack of comprehension (an idea born completely out of luck), my interactions with my environment have become far less antagonistic. If this had been taught to me in the first place I wouldn't have had any damned problems to begin with! No night terrors and no angry outbursts! Things people insist we don't escape except through pills or *shudders* shock therapy.

Third, why is it we have to use a catchall term, the autism spectrum? When viewing the worst off of our own kind it is clear that they have a slew of different neurological issues of which many are simply either present or not present and not on a sliding scale of severity and half of the time have nothing to do with pervasive disability but just become more apparent with increasing age!

Somehow when you have dyslexia (the inability to interpret writing) and autism, you have two disorders, but when you have dyscalculia (the inability to complete mathematics) and have 'autism' then it is all lumped together? What, Dyslexia is treated as a lone issue because it has a bigger history in psychological diagnostic books? Half the time it feels like when people deal with what are most certainly psychoses of the violent kind and autism they are somehow treating a more severe form of autism, and not an autistic with a psychosis. By lumping these seperate, comorbid but inextricably different neurological issues together with autism a partial illusion of a spectrum is further maintained.

The repercussions of fixing these issues will be widespread and almost always positive. The first will be that chemical and psychological treatment will be given to those who need it and second there will be less leeway for knee-jerk parents with autistic children to tank their children up on Ritalin like a hypochondriac using antibiotics to deal with the common cold! Maybe they will realise that time, advice and care will actually fix the problem.

As for other benefits, I presume everyone here could take my ideas away so next time they read a horror story against one of us they could think up of an extra benefit of precise diagnostics rather than the ham-fist that rams us down in to the floor and plants a fat sticker saying 'ret*d' on our forehead. I bet there are over a thousand.

Here! Here! Well said, man!

Facts are unseen in this topic. Speculation and it's theory is yet intact.

Man we should be intelligent enough to peel a label off our forehead. I can do it with fruit.

Label peeling-off is fun.

Label-sticking aversion techniques are totally worthy as well.

The crux of what you are saying : " familes should love and accept all members more = less stress and better for everyone ."

This is a series of lesson learned, not a default setting .

I have seen these in action. If you are trying to tear me down with the word speculation then I have done no less than anyone writing a piece challenging the status quo: to use information that others can see for themselves if they try.

It's just not a fit all. It comprises truth in at least some subjective circumstances. Still yet it is not provable universally. I cannot simply conform to this belief over establishments belief based on someone on the Internets beliefs concerning observational facts of others, a few, several or many that are sometimes proving to be false.

Last edited by ci on 13 Jul 2011, 3:45 am, edited 2 times in total.

There are lots of cruxes to this piece if you think about it.

Compromise truth! You are just blindly listening to other's theories. I used personal observations. Just rejecting my theory by calling me a liar is just a crude way of enforcing your own opinion and furthermore it feels like you don't want to actually listen! Furthermore I think the problem is that the establishment for the most part is disparate, squabbling and widely ranged in its views and thus is changing its diagnostic for what we have for the fourth time in so many years despite no progress in to its cause except some absurd idea about empathy.

I don't mind listening to them when it makes sense but it's a cheap remark for you to say that I cannot put forward ideas of my own, just because I am on the internet or not part of a high-flying establishment or an unproven claim of lying. I have seen much more idiotic theories about us become mainstream like the vaccine crap or heavy metals conspiracy theories. I can see why so many people think you just lie down and let us be abused and you don't even note the fact that your responses are nothing but wild speculation!

The only spectrum on display here is the political spectrum. There is aspie48's unnatural racism on one hand and your deference to the rest of humanity even when they haven't helped us on the other and I am stuck in the middle, forced to listen to these self-destructive, self-pitying extremist views which always use convenient and hollow dialogue to avoid that the facts do not lie with either of you. I haven't even excluded the majority of your points of either case. I advcate a multiple solution to different people. it's just both of you just insist on fighting me with tired old personal dialogue with a personal ideology that at its most extreme level is poisonous.

How could you say I was calling you a liar. For instance let's look at low functioning simply being mental illness. Can you explain more of your theory?

Enough discussion of lies! The fact is I have challenged what people say about us empirically.

My theory is that people have a confused idea about autism. Where they are seeing one mental illness along a continuum of severity I actually see a number of different disorders that are lumped in along with what we have, such as psychopathy or dyscalculia and that if someone has a larger number of these problems it is they have low-functioning autism because the net effect is to make them incapable or dangerous.

However, the fact is they do not have the same disorders, same number of disorders or just a severe form of a particular disorder. it is just the effect is broadly similar in outcome for those around them, namely: much difficulty. For the same reason someone who has Asperger's (though I am loathe to say we actually have some syndrome) may have none of these other disorders but because they are put on some spectrum they are just treated as having light versions of the people with low-functioning autism when in fact they don't have anything at all related to those issues.

I can go on explaining if you want.

It comes down to a bias of the image of autism. While I do not seek to disprove what you say I cannot prove it either. It would be easy for me to just agree so as to feel as if some indirect notion of autism that might be perceived applicable to myself is rationally resolved I cannot simply agree because the clarity of the fact is yet not scientific. I do annoy people at times with this but I must have 1+1-2 proof either way otherwise I'd simply say sometimes people with autism are violent and other times not. Compatible to the mainstream population people can be violent as well.

Personally I don't like violence.

I do not advocate causing violence. I hope that is clear from now on.

What I do hope you shall appreciate is that neither side has the actual scientific doccumentation of the disorder as even now they continue to squabble on dead ends and the evidence is used to support fatuous treatments. The mainstream, insofar as it exists, has a perspective that is inadequate from my personal evidence and I have forumalted what I feel is a more realistic picture. The fact is that in the end models are proven or disproven through rigorous study. However, the point is that I don't have the socially-mandated qualifications to get the resources required to prove my case.

But to be honest, that's why I am on here telling people about it, to get them search for their own evidence. It is foolish to think we cannot form opinions of ideas of importance just because we don't get research grants and I think people have less of a right to say that I shouldn't speak about these things than I have of putting my ideas across.

No where was it implied you advocated violence. As I spoke about no scientific substance to the claim individuals with severe autism who also manifest aggression do so because of another neurological condition. Aggression is very much part of the human condition however.

I don't see quite what you are getting at, I mean i don't see how the spectrum is a lie......It seems more like you have an issue with people who don't have a real understanding of what AS or autism is and try to lump different disorders together as the same thing......which would be more of an issue of ignorance on the topic.

You said that you don't like violence. So why did you say that if not to proclaim something was agressive?

No actually. That isn't what I am saying at all. I am saying that the view of a spectrum is fictitious. What I am saying is that people keep saying that different conditions plus autism are just more severe cases of autism. I see this as gross oversimplification. I don't need everyone to know about what AS or autism is because the current definition is faulty.