Autism Speaks Abortion

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In the next 40 or so hours I need proof that Autism Speaks is directly involved in autism related abortion. I am to furnish a letter distributed to parts of the autism community about the public relations of autism and form a judgement to improve outcomes on into adulthood for those with ASD. Self-esteem is very important, the importants of seeing autism as a serious thing is also vitial to outcomes but unless I see credible social evidence of Autism Speaks having to do with abortion and autism many of the online complaints I cannot consider as they are factless.

Nathan Young

Last edited by ci on 15 Dec 2010, 8:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

As far as I can tell, nothing AS has in their mission statement or whatever has anything directly to do with abortion. However, AS does fund research into prenatal screening for autism, which would be very likely to cause a lot of abortions because of fearful parents afraid of dealing with a "diseased child". Just look at what it's done to Down Syndrome.

I need proof with links to credible sources online please.

Anything against the knowledge of autism in the womb has to do with abortion politics. Anything for the knowledge of autism in the womb is womens rights with potential of abortion. Advocacy cannot be properly faciliated for those living when either are present given the nature of society and the political dynamics.

Dude...why do you keep asking us to do your work for you? You need proof, and links...go find them! And proof...good luck with that. Unless there is a document that shows Autism Speaks is involved in abortion procedures, then they aren't legally involved. Don't ask us: ask Julian Assange. I don't have access to internal documents, and I'm guessing you don't either.

All the "proof" that is needed comes from a simple observation: Without autism, Autism Speaks does not exist. Kind of how environmentalists would be out of business if the environment was taken care of. They are just fear mongerers; leave them alone.

I had a dog named dude and it's interesting characters that call people "dudes" at times. There is a reason I am asking you and others. I expected just this reply and can usually predict this type of behavior and have my reasons for the methodology. If no one has evidence but believes something avidly then there are reasons for that to Mr. Dude.

Nathan Young

Yay! Golf clap for Nathan Young. Look, if you are really serious about this, you would just do it. Asking others to do your work, and continuing to post until someone does, means that you aren't serious. If you want to take on Autism Speaks, you better be serious. Quit drinking your holy water and start drinking the Do-it-yourself Kool Aid. All the piety in the world doesn't change the fact that you are asking someone else to do it for you. You can deny this all you want, but trying to pressure others into getting your work done in the next 40 hours, and trying to make others feel guilty for not doing so, is not going to make you a lot of friends, good intentions or not. And it certainly won't get your work done.

Listen your imagination is quite wild and you presume quite allot for the fancy of painting the situation. If you have nothing productive to add then ignore the topic. This post related to another post with a deadline others participated in. Since you went out of your way to be ill constructive then it's simply an attitude problem. I am not going to start picking apart your past posts to reverse paint you as you imply I am lazy, guilt tripping and so on. I have a logical, professional and serious mind frame most of the time and just find your remarks in attempt ill derived.

Please move on.

Nathan Young

I would say that you're setting an unrealistic timeline. The roots of eugenics are deep and well-hidden. I don't know the details of Autism Speaks' involvement - or lack of it - but I do know that scientists and medical doctors who encouraged the Nazis in their "purification of the human race" continued to be respected figures in America after World War Two ended. And they altered their agenda, adopting better PR and going underground. Read War Against the Weak by Edwin Black for an understanding of how these things developed in the past. It doesn't cover Autism Speaks - but considering how respectable Planned Parenthood now is, despite their very close links with Nazis and eugenics, how can you expect to find proof so quickly and easily? Look at the long, careful, thorough process of research Edwin Black had to go through to piece together the truth about the past, which is far easier to investigate than the present. (His book IBM and the Holocaust is interesting and provides some background on this, although it isn't as directly relevant to your question.)

And in reading War Against the Weak, note that the author was, if anything, careful to tread lightly when it came to Planned Parenthood and their founder, Margaret Sanger, presumably out of a desire to avoid being caught in the middle of a political firestorm. His version of events, then, represents the minimum involvement Margaret Sanger and her organisation had with eugenics.

God dammit man. While I don't want to blame you as people can fall for this bull and I did for some time when isolated and in need of help for years this prenatal testing politic has existed for years with allot of bull along with it creating persecutory complexes. It's all tied into conspiracy psychosocial-pathology, Arlan race accusations with sometimes anti-vaccines bull and Hitler fantasies.

Either you agree with it or your one of them and want to be pitied when traditionally those against abortion don't want to pay for the programs I and other need which is all very political and I can outline all of the emotional dynamics, sociological frameworks and other related pathologies very easily with concern to bias but not absolute truth. I'm not dumb but I do have autism and with some help I am quite the strong and logical mind intact. If you want to believe this horse poop you will likely end up institutionalized because it will make you depressed. If you want to private instant message me so I can help you rationalize this bull poop I will spend the time with you.

I love this kind of study and I hope you find happiness in life I really do. The mechanisms of delusion are not so very complex but when worked out explain universes within the mind.

Nathan Young

Have you read the book? It is not "horse poop"; it is based on careful, thoroughly documented research. There is a lot of crap online which gets into areas I either don't believe, or consider unproven. But Edwin Black is an investigative journalist, who spent a lot of time and effort researching the history of the eugenics movement in America. And the Carnegie Institute, among others, actually funded Nazi "race research". They haven't even disputed this, although I'm sure they're hoping, so many years later, few people will care. But the truth is that the Nazis did have international support in certain circles, and America was one of the places where that support was strongest. Many states had laws providing for forced sterilisation of the "unfit".

And, although I thank you for your concern, and it does make me somewhat depressed at times, what it most does is make me angry. The Holocaust - and related subjects - are one of my special interests. Even when young, I instinctively understood and sympathised with the plight of anyone who was persecuted for being different. And, as it happens, AS is not the only reason the eugenicists don't believe I am "fit" to live - I also have ocular albinism. I learned that I had both of these things just this past year. Before that, my opposition to eugenics was more on behalf of others - although, since I was born legally blind, I have known for some years there was a chance I would be considered "unfit". Still, my interest in the subject predates even that awareness by several years.)

I should note that, although I personally disagree with abortion under every circumstance, I am not sure it should be outlawed. I do oppose efforts to target certain groups by means of abortion, which is just a subtler form of genocide. As for my willingness to pay for programs anyone needs - I am well below the poverty line, so I don't have much ability to pay, but I wouldn't object to paying to help anyone who needed it. Personally, though, I'd prefer to see that help provided by private charities, simply because I don't consider bureaucracy capable of doing so without immense waste, and I would object to paying for unnecessary bureaucrats. (This is not a matter of "right" versus "left" - I think both political parties are equally incompetent, albeit in somewhat varying ways. And, by the way, I have donated amounts large enough they involved a degree of personal sacrifice to certain charities when I've had the chance to do so. So I am not just speaking theoretically when I say that I would not object to helping those who need it.)

No it's not a matter of one party and the other. I cannot determine this logically. However looking at your reply you do have the basic traits I outlined. Personally I am fed up with the prenatal testing politics which absorb individuals and do create at times exreme delusional complexes and even alters their world views. I can in general make assessments based on common beliefs and common emotional potentials and if more then one it begins the nature of a psychological complex if false beliefs are manifest that trigger false perceptions thereafter. Comparative reasoning is a good a bad thing. Persecutory delusions are emotional based and not so much logical other then comparative reasonings and then tied into the perception of others projecting how others may think then become the actual belief albeit likely different.

Now as for the facts of Autism Speaks and abortion the study into what is autism is the only indirect evidence which might be the source of the abortion beliefs. This is correct?

"Autism Speaks is dedicated to facilitating global research into the causes, treatments, prevention and an eventual cure for autism."

This is their mission. It is what it is. There is no direct or indirect evidence that they have any particular belief in abortion. They are never going to promote any belief or support/non support in abortion. That is a separate issue from their mission. If prenatal tests result from the research they support, you can say they helped fund prenatal tests, but that is all. We can all speculate and offer opinions on if or when a prenatal test will actually be developed, if it will be used, will it help with treatment, will it bring a cure, will people use the information for abortions, but at this point it is all speculation and opinion because there is no prenatal test for Autism.

These are the only objective results I can provide from my personal research into the organization.

Whether or not I agree with their mission or the promotion of their mission is not part of my assessment.

I can assess the frameworks and outline the recommendations now. No need for further replies.

Thanks

Nathan Young

Actually, Margaret Sanger didn't support the Nazis. From the woman herself:
"All the news from Germany is sad & horrible, and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria.." (Sauce)

While she did support eugenics (which is unfortunate, but a fairly common opinion of the time), she wasn't a Nazi sympathizer.

I think there is allot of propaganda in some people and at times it's senseless trying to figure out the programming. I figure it out not in a historic way but by the basics of emotions and psycho-analytics in part. However I just know a fashionable amount of the concepts and not a great depth as my only intent in study was basic principles which to me lead to essential understandings. Ultimately some people choose despondency and falsehoods to derive even unintentional propaganda they themselves believe.

I wrote this not in reply to this but other things.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt146089.html