Autist Micronation - supporters
Ahem. Since this topic comes up quite frequently, I feel it deserves a new thread (yes, I'm aware there have been several threads on the same topic). It seems to be a topic on which there is much interest, yet very little action. As I have previously noted, this is quite possibly down to how spread out the supporters of the concept are around the world. If regional groups could be formed, which could pool resources together, we may be able to get something done. For this reason, I have attached a poll, asking people who support the idea of forming Autist communities to specify whhich country they live (obviously, for the united states and canada, they could still be quite dispersed). Since most members, apparantly, hail from the US, UK, or Canada, I'm only placing those options on the poll. It will be helpful if people could also specify whereabouts they live in their country, the level of support they could give, and how prepared they would be to move to such a community.
I live in Lancashire, UK; could probably fundraise and donate time and whatever skills I have to the tune of a few weeks each year next year, when I'm at Uni (and hence have long holidays); would consider staying for a week or so each year at such a community with either a timeshare or hiring a home.
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My 2 big conditions for such a community are:
1) It is not a commune.
2) NT's are allowed to work and live there, even if they don't have ASD family or friends.
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John, we can talk about what it would be like *after* it gets beyond wishful thinking. I know I'm guilty of threadjacking, but could this thread please be kept as an information gathering one?#
With that in mind, where do you live, what can you contribute, and would you live there?
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I live in California, I am formally trained in computer repair, I work with autistic kids but don't have formal credentials, and I am an engineering major. I would consider such a community depending on how it is run. I wouldn't be interested in a commune. You are going to find a lot of people interested are a lot like me as far as their skill strengths, and you will have a lot of people on disability that are interested too, so you will need to add NT's to it to round out all the skills needed to make a community and an economy function.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of ret*d sexual and emotional maturity."
-Sigmund Freud
1) It is not a commune.
2) NT's are allowed to work and live there, even if they don't have ASD family or friends.
The second is fine and anyone who says otherwise I don't think I will hear a credible reason. The first is a personal choice and yeah sure, why not? The fact is though is that if such a micronation existed at first we might need a barracks before we all began getting our own houses if we were building all our own houses. Then the barracks could be converted to some other activity.
Furthermore I think a community within an existing city would be more realistic first. Baby steps people. We shouldn't enforce claims of nation before we actually form a community with ties.
Don't feel discouraged Magneto. No matter where I have been and who I have met, people who have no independence and accept it have little will to become independent even if seems credible. I know other guys who would agree with you.
Fnord wouldn't mind my idea of forming a cluster first on top of an existing economic structure. We would be like immature ferns sprouting on their mother.
I'm all for it if it can be achieved, but yes, baby steps are required. Frequent invitations to Autscape and Autscape are offered here, but few attend and total attendance for entire countries measure out at around 100 for these short term events promoting the autistic community.
Problem, is, it's hard enough for some of us to find our niche's dispersed throughout our countries; some find those niches in areas of Silicon Valley and the MIT area in the US Not everyone has skills at that level, so those places attract relatively few within the autistic population, but they are as close to autistic communities that we have here, other than ones designed specifically for support of disabled autistic people.
If you build it people ,may come, but a definite requirement will be the need of support or a good chance of finding employment. Time shares aren't likely to happen; easy enough to get together on a temporary basis on an internet site, but that's not a vacation I think many people would realistically be interested in, judging from the response of those and the resulting attendance at Autscape and Autreat.
These ideas take a great deal of financial resources, Autism Speaks was started on the shoulders of a 25 million dollar donation from a single individual that was looking to support that cause.
It is possible that significant donations could come from the autistic community, but with high levels of unemployment both among autistics and the country as a whole, one might hope that a benefactor could be found outside of the autistic community with concern about the autistic community to provide the realistic dollars required to make something like this work.
If those with permanently disabling aspects of autism are to be able to participate, government support and standards would likely have to be met.
The first issue that would have to be determined is how people would be able to support themselves in the community desired. Employment would almost have to be guaranteed, considering the general job economy in the US, and if it were to be provided it would probably be limited in scope to something like the tech industry we have in silicon Valley and MIT. .
I think it's possible if benefactors with deep enough pockets are found. Employment opportunities. I see as the first hurdle.
As far as what I could do for a cause like that, I might provide some financial assistance if I saw it coming together; I would have to be convinced though that it was going to happen. It would definitely be a major undertaking, with a great deal of experience and resources readily available to make it happen.
The closest specific areas we have like this in the US are farmsteads but they separate autistics from the community, and most that live there are on some type of government support.
Even with intense desire, government support, and donations for land, there are relatively few of them and long waiting lists to get in. I don't think this is nearly the opportunity you are looking for, but realistically it means it will be even harder to make it happen with limited support.
Bill Gates has Aspergers, I wonder if his charitable organization supports any efforts in this area? Might a serious avenue of effort for those wanting to advocate for a project like this.
Starting something has to come from the private sector. To work it has to answer problems as seen by the general population, before it can attract private funding.
Autism Speaks. There are a lot of autistic children, with families, that feel nothing is being done. It was true, so starting a non profit, they did attract first those seeking more information, parents, then those who could donate the $25 million startup capital. Since then they have brought in donations from a broad base, from small private, to corporate.
The payback to the general public is in more access to information, for free, and research that has advanced mostly Genetic Study, but also Behavior. One answers the current lack of knowledge, the other applies directly to parents coping with autistic children. They have become a lead agency in Grants, as Autism Speaks partial funding of a grant application means it has been checked for the potential to produce new knowledge, and government agencys will follow along and add to the grant.
Private, with $50 million a year, they perhaps direct $500 million in targeted research. Their science staff has credibility that allows other grants to not have to do the study needed to direct funding. They filled the position of Lead Agency.
The idea of autistic communities has surfaced here for years. This has been from the autistic point of view. A popular concept, but lacking the organization needed. Also an excluded minority with strange ways lacks the knowledge and capital to even set up a small business.
Recently the, lets study the problem first group, Autism Speaks et al, has come to something of the same idea, hundreds of thousands of the children they focused on are growing up, and there is no place in the world for them. Most are supported by parents, that will not last forever.
The potential public costs are huge. Disability payments are not enough, supported living costs several times that.
It will take a private plan, and it must be lead from the autistic point of view, they are the ones who will live there. It must also include everything, education, employment, and it will take a minority of NTs to keep it running. Over all, the lifetime problem of about a million people.
Before a plan for a million can evolve, small models must be tested.
The need is real, is supported by parents, Autism Speaks, the Government, as service provider, and each has their views.
Parents want a secure future for their child. Autism Speaks has avoided providing direct services until they had a better idea of needs, and how to meet them. Government sees costs, something that will cost more than Afganistan, running forever.
Together, the program has to be sold to the tax payers. Their only view is if it reduces costs. Autism can be shown to cost Billions a year. Besides that, the loss of economic production is more billions.
Employment is the answer, jobs will be produced for hundreds of thousands of NTs. That is currently popular. A million people who are currently non productive could be doing something. Even minor economic activity, a few thousand a year, is billions added to the economy.
Needs vary. Some have no support, have had to make their own living, have been marginally productive, and could be made more productive. Others have always been supported and currently produce nothing, but could in a better world, and some will need lifetime services.
Abilities vary. Some work, some would, and others cannot.
Most parents think that warehoused in an institution is the worst outcome. It is also the most expensive. They want the best life for their child. Supported living, Group Homes, also comes with a loss of freedoms, and being kept as an old child. Sheltered Workshops rarely develop workers, it is just a social activity.
Everyone involved seeks the highest potential. The current system is the best NTs can do, which makes it alien to autistics.
Autistic Community is possible, check Wrong Planet, and needed for any plan to gain broad autistic acceptance. It also has to meet parents, lead agencies, and government standards.
The place to start is in what works. Capitalism, job production, and with a team of more functional autistics and NTs. No startup is profitable, but it has to have the potential to be, and a model that can expand.
It has to reach into both worlds, no one place can ever meet the overall need. That would take a thousand fanchises each meeting the needs of a thousand people.
I have been working on a plan, It is a rural thousand person village, with time zones. Some would be happy living a few hundred years ago. Land based with food production being the main activity. Great for living, but connected to the modern world for other services.
Others are more process oriented, grinding the grain and making bread. Working wood, being the blacksmith, weaving, for we all need food, clothing, shelter.
A village can supply general needs within walking distance, a public square, with tea shop, a market, and services for export. Country crafts, as the Shakers, Arts and Crafts, and the Cottage Crafts of Scotland show can be very profitable in the modern era. Quilts and hand woven blankets sell, Bespoke Tweed jackets are half a blanket, and expensive used. A traditional Hacking jacket would sell to the horse set.
There are small but expensive markets that are not being supplied.
Following the talents of the people, you do not have to live in Silicon Valley to write computer code.
What we have is a labor surplus, in a machine era, where labor intensive goods are expensive. Our goods can contain more human labor than any other brand. Dying crafts like the bent wood, canvas covered canoe can be revived. As an industrial base, we do not have to consider labor costs.
There are skills that take years to master, we have time.
It is not a business, it is a social plan that includes many small services that make a whole. It has a thousand places to hide, or start an industry. You can do nothing, or take walks, perhaps go to the village. A cobbler with a thousand customers is well off. It is out of the world and at the center.
I get the book store, I write, publish, print, bind, and can supply about 100,000 public domain works. 1% of the general population are readers, that is much higher in the autistic community.
We can have a better world, if we build it.
*waves hand* Yes yes, but I actually started this thread for gathering the details of those who would be interested in such a project, to map out where there are hotspots of support to be able to make a viable community.
I had my own plan a while back, which begun with a school run by, and for, Aspies, the idea being that a village would grow up around it as people began Aspie friendly businesses. Lets call the village Hogsmeade The advantage with starting with a school is that you can get funding from parents and the government, as well as supporters. As I planned before, it would be very well equipped, with facilities (for example the Library) that could later be shared with the wider community.
We've had countless threads about this. I would die happy if I never saw another thread about starting an autistic nation.
I'm just pointing out that there are people who have tried to start a micronation and failed. Just because you talk about a plan on the Internet doesn't mean it will come to fruition.
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