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04 Sep 2011, 2:56 pm

An Inconvenient Truth

The Inclusion of Hopes Appeal

For some time awareness for isolation for instance was gone up against by online advocates with no appeal to then help those who are isolated as a result of autism. It was to insulting to the idea of autism others wanted to fit into. Fact and truth however is not to be hidden simply because of a sense of social image of autism that is to be approved by the most social inept and active in agenda.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfKc9x01_k[/youtube]


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04 Sep 2011, 2:58 pm

About the title, when has telling the truth ever been popular in political appeals? This is the problem with making autism political...the truth is the first casualty.



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04 Sep 2011, 3:02 pm

Yep. Then those stuck in the middle have very little voice.


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04 Sep 2011, 5:14 pm

there are a lot of lies in this political forum.LIE#1 cure is an asault against dignaty and that autism speaks promotes cultural genocide. LIE#2 the highest functioning are conspiring to deny services to autistics in need.and that autistics being proud of there succeses is detrimental to the lowest functioning,this is far from the truth.talk about autistic achievment helps everyone and can open doors for more disabled children and adults


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04 Sep 2011, 5:25 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
there are a lot of lies in this political forum.LIE#1 cure is an asault against dignaty and that autism speaks promotes cultural genocide. LIE#2 the highest functioning are conspiring to deny services to autistics in need.and that autistics being proud of there succeses is detrimental to the lowest functioning,this is far from the truth.talk about autistic achievment helps everyone and can open doors for more disabled children and adults


Yes but when can it be balanced? Some very high functional have gone well out of their way to use their personal abilities to confront advocacy for those not as well off such as those isolated and excluded by considering it insulting then doing absolutely nothing to help those isolated in the same context while dispromoting that reality existing. To me it is self-centered selfishness and is highly unethical and need be corrected becuase it is very unfair. By realizing people with autism to have something to offer to society inclusion is better enabled but that's not the whole story. Inclusion in compassionate terms can enable skill development and quality of life whereas skills and achievements were not developed previously due to a lack of encompassing approach. When will the all around advocacy be more substantially clear and the polar extremes balanced for the sake of everyone and not just those few who seek to have it reflect only in what makes them personally feel good in their personal truths? It is to me a horrible selfishness and injustice.

Isolation to inclusion advocacy is a stuck advocacy caught between two extremes. It is my belief in the eyes of human rights and priorities that the excluded have the ethical priority otherwise it's just a big game about the ego of autism for political purposes like costation activism, peer relation politics and potential mainstream political agenda's. I believe this issue is about social justice and the longer it takes to be recognized the more the injustice germinates a newer appeal sociably in awareness.

Right now the pride politicians metaphorically have mussels on our mouths until they ordain expression. Least I can do as a person with autism is make sure they know their will be a fight if it persists. Isolation to inclusion awareness will win and they will loose.


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04 Sep 2011, 5:54 pm

im honestly more worried that the high functioning will be denied services than am i worried that autistic pride will get in the way of services in general.if anything the pide mites are shooting themselves in the foot


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04 Sep 2011, 6:08 pm

Asperger's is already denied services. I meet the critera for autism in the DSM book. It took an extensive review. As far as Asperger's politics I really would like to see those who do need allot of help be helped. All in all however with how politics are done with the Aspies I view it as mostly threatening to fundamental needs of those as risk in life.


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04 Sep 2011, 6:24 pm

I believe the idea of autism as a spectrum needs to be more fully understood by society as a whole.

There are those less affected than myself and others who have greater difficulties. I am classed as atypically Aspergers. Although I don't have all the difficulties, the problems I have are in many ways very severe.

I think it is time to look at individuals and ascertain the help an individual needs.

Categorisation, for me, has failed. It is time to help the individual.

I will do the best I can, but realise others have problems greater than my own.

All should be enabled.



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04 Sep 2011, 6:33 pm

i have never been denied any services.i have been involved with special needs sevices for 30 years.aspergers is listed as a form of autism on the dsm4,but as diferent than autistic disorder


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04 Sep 2011, 6:35 pm

Different systems. Educationally sure and in mental health systems yes. DDS is different for each state.


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04 Sep 2011, 6:46 pm

Neotokyomushroom wrote:
I believe the idea of autism as a spectrum needs to be more fully understood by society as a whole.

There are those less affected than myself and others who have greater difficulties. I am classed as atypically Aspergers. Although I don't have all the difficulties, the problems I have are in many ways very severe.

I think it is time to look at individuals and ascertain the help an individual needs.

Categorisation, for me, has failed. It is time to help the individual.

I will do the best I can, but realise others have problems greater than my own.

All should be enabled.


Yes more understood for sure. I know some parents are nervous as they think people view everyone with autism to be as high functioning as some pride leaders who have been in the media. They fear the loss of support services for their adult children that are more severally effected.


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04 Sep 2011, 6:50 pm

In the UK I have problems accessing services. Hopefully this will change soon. Aspergers is seen mainly as a minor problem here.

Autism advocacy seems to be having an effect here recently though. Before, Aspergers was mainly seen as something that only affects children.

I still believe it affects individuals differently and the help should be targeted to the individual rather than the condition.

I believe it is the same for all ASDs.



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05 Sep 2011, 11:35 pm

Neotokyomushroom wrote:
In the UK I have problems accessing services. Hopefully this will change soon. Aspergers is seen mainly as a minor problem here.

Autism advocacy seems to be having an effect here recently though. Before, Aspergers was mainly seen as something that only affects children.

I still believe it affects individuals differently and the help should be targeted to the individual rather than the condition.

I believe it is the same for all ASDs.


I am not really allowed to get into U.K politics. However I wish you luck Mr. Mushroom.


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06 Sep 2011, 9:58 am

Who actually are you talking about? Are there specific instances that you can heark back to where such people did not tell the truth? Can you identify what is untruthful about what they said? I can't find anything about these things, which sort of makes what you said a statement that people are forgoing pursuing the truth, but the problem is I have nothing to judge the merit of what you said.



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06 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Who actually are you talking about? Are there specific instances that you can heark back to where such people did not tell the truth? Can you identify what is untruthful about what they said? I can't find anything about these things, which sort of makes what you said a statement that people are forgoing pursuing the truth, but the problem is I have nothing to judge the merit of what you said.


If you are talking to me can you clarify. Are you speaking about the initial topic or the post as it has evolved to my last reply? I should do a post about autism isolation advocacy that pride has gone up against. The reason I'm pissed is not because they were upset at not liking how it was done but I'm very pissed they attacked what was done without ethically inserting a different advocacy still supporting those isolated in their isolation. Instead it was all about their self-image and that has me being so very profoundly upset and dedicated to confronting that kind of selfishness. I could never imagine advocating in media with the same kind lack of vision and moral.


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06 Sep 2011, 2:20 pm

ci wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Who actually are you talking about? Are there specific instances that you can heark back to where such people did not tell the truth? Can you identify what is untruthful about what they said? I can't find anything about these things, which sort of makes what you said a statement that people are forgoing pursuing the truth, but the problem is I have nothing to judge the merit of what you said.


If you are talking to me can you clarify. Are you speaking about the initial topic or the post as it has evolved to my last reply? I should do a post about autism isolation advocacy that pride has gone up against. The reason I'm pissed is not because they were upset at not liking how it was done but I'm very pissed they attacked what was done without ethically inserting a different advocacy still supporting those isolated in their isolation. Instead it was all about their self-image and that has me being so very profoundly upset and dedicated to confronting that kind of selfishness. I could never imagine advocating in media with the same kind lack of vision and moral.

The original topic ci. I didn't ask why you were pissed and I don't actually understand what you said what you said afterwards. So could you repeat it? Also who are you actually talking about? Who lacks vision and morals? Who is selfish? Who is isolated and what does isolated mean in relation to what you were talking about? Also who is constantly concerned about their self-image?