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06 Nov 2011, 9:18 pm

recently some people have turned disturbingly pro autism speaks. i think we have forgotten about the past things they have done and the way things look right now. autism speaks pockets almost a third of the money they bring in. they support the autism genome project. it is meant to identify autistic people before birth. they hired dr. watson as a head of this project. he has announced many times his racist opinions towards blacks, and his want to "cure stupidity". and by that he means remove autistic people systematically from the face of the earth. autism speaks has made offensive videos in the past. and they continue to do so. notice how hard it is to get a job as an autistic? well its all in the way people see you. and autism speaks does not want you to have a job. they support shrinks and asylums that want to use us as cash cows.

recently autism speaks toned down the language a little. and agreed to do an interview with scotty here. the autism speaks guy seemed to evade most of the questions pretty neatly. and people take that as a reason to love them??



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06 Nov 2011, 9:25 pm

Sorry, which Dr. Watson? I'm curious. Thanks.



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06 Nov 2011, 9:33 pm

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Sorry, which Dr. Watson? I'm curious. Thanks.

watson and crick dr. watson. like the two guys who discovered dna



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06 Nov 2011, 9:38 pm

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recently some people have turned disturbingly pro autism speaks. i think we have forgotten about the past things they have done and the way things look right now. autism speaks pockets almost a third of the money they bring in. they support the autism genome project. it is meant to identify autistic people before birth. they hired dr. watson as a head of this project. he has announced many times his racist opinions towards blacks, and his want to "cure stupidity". and by that he means remove autistic people systematically from the face of the earth. autism speaks has made offensive videos in the past. and they continue to do so. notice how hard it is to get a job as an autistic? well its all in the way people see you. and autism speaks does not want you to have a job. they support shrinks and asylums that want to use us as cash cows.

recently autism speaks toned down the language a little. and agreed to do an interview with scotty here. the autism speaks guy seemed to evade most of the questions pretty neatly. and people take that as a reason to love them??


Well this was bound to happen as a consequence of the advent of Autism Talk TV and it being co-sponsored by Autism Speaks. The promoted connection in the videos would see an gradual influx of Autism Speaks supporters coming onto WP, simple enough.


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06 Nov 2011, 9:59 pm

I haven't been looking at what they do lately b/c it makes me sick.


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06 Nov 2011, 10:05 pm

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recently some people have turned disturbingly pro autism speaks. i think we have forgotten about the past things they have done and the way things look right now. autism speaks pockets almost a third of the money they bring in. they support the autism genome project. it is meant to identify autistic people before birth. they hired dr. watson as a head of this project. he has announced many times his racist opinions towards blacks, and his want to "cure stupidity". and by that he means remove autistic people systematically from the face of the earth. autism speaks has made offensive videos in the past. and they continue to do so. notice how hard it is to get a job as an autistic? well its all in the way people see you. and autism speaks does not want you to have a job. they support shrinks and asylums that want to use us as cash cows.

recently autism speaks toned down the language a little. and agreed to do an interview with scotty here. the autism speaks guy seemed to evade most of the questions pretty neatly. and people take that as a reason to love them??


I go the idea to approach them for an interview from Autism Talk Tv. I saw that they had been hiring autistics and working to change their image and I wanted to see how sincere they were.

I saw them as an enemy for awhile. I didn't come to Wrong Planet because of this. Then I realized that many of their critics were a bit nuts. I would still be an AutSpeaks hater if it weren't for some of the militant, radical and completely irrational people in the autism community.

I don't see them as an enemy anymore, nor would I say I "favor" them. It isn't that simple. I see them as a powerful organization to be influenced. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Individually, I see many of them - Dana, Peter, Marc, Ali - as friends. They are nice people who are learning, growing and doing the best that they can.

Racism is way uncool, and I sure hope that Dr. is not, in fact, racist.


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06 Nov 2011, 10:11 pm

digaman wrote:
Sorry, which Dr. Watson? I'm curious. Thanks.


Hi man! How are you? Nice to see you here.

I too am interested in seeing evidence of this racism. I will reserve judgement until I do.

I am, however, very easily aggravated by racism or homophobia, two of the absolute least cool things ever.


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06 Nov 2011, 10:13 pm

@Tambourine-man. He is look it up. He got suspended for making slurs in coldstream harbour lab a couple times. And autism speaks thought that was all cool. And as for those people being nuts. Well ain't we all? They are paranoid yes but there are a lot of bad people out there and they will use you and throw you away if you let them. I dont like to ignore the facts and be caught off gaurd. There are organizations out there that do not have a rap sheet, they are much safer allies.



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06 Nov 2011, 10:13 pm

Meh, don't worry about their follies.



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06 Nov 2011, 10:21 pm

I found some stuff about it here...
http://acronymrequired.com/2007/10/jame ... oring.html

I'll have to look into it more, but at first glance it is pretty offensive.


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06 Nov 2011, 10:48 pm

I really don't know what to think of this Watson guy. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that his statement was taken out of context, but it isn't easy.

I don't have enough info to make an informed decision. I will say that developing friendships with some key players in Autism Speaks has allowed me to see them as individuals, and the ones I do know are solid people. They don't all agree on everything. They each have their own beliefs and opinions.

It is easy to think of Autism Speaks as one giant, evil mind, but that just isn't realistic. Everyone involved has their own motivation and agendas. Many of them have family members and children on the spectrum.

They freely admit that they are not a perfect organization. They have made mistakes. I can't speak for the whole lot, but the individuals I know are just that, individuals. I have found them to be very kind and understanding. Once again, I can only say that about the people I know and consider friends.

I am sure there are individuals within the organization that I would butt heads with. They understand that I too am an individual. They respect my opinions and have never censored me, allowing me to speak freely on their website.


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06 Nov 2011, 10:52 pm

Yes indeed one of his most offensive quotes is on not hiring people of African descent or "stupid" people, meaning us. And he supports eugenics. He also happens to be identifying the autistic genes for autism speaks. When you put the evidence together it looks like a closed case.



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06 Nov 2011, 11:51 pm

I'm not the slightest bit concerned about prenatal testing. Autism is not simple and easily identified. There are 30 currently known genes linked to inherited autism, and hundreds more as of yet unidentified. 30 percent of all people have some degree of these genes. In order to eliminate autism entirely, 30 percent of humanity would be eradicated.

Science is revealing autism to be complex an far reaching. I believe science will, inevitably, provide conclusive proof of our widespread Neurodiversity.

If a scientist wants to eliminate autism, well, they are welcome to try. It isn't going to happen.

Racism, however, is just plain uncool.


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06 Nov 2011, 11:58 pm

I see, a propaganda buyer.

You are with the Eugenics Movement. They change names and faces, but the game never changes.

The tactics never change, Autism Speaks videos were a direct takeoff of Lives Not Worth Living.

Autism is a front, a word without meaning, which came to be a catchall for ret*d, Birth Defects, Mutes, ASDs, and seeking a Genetic Cure for eradicating this Autism Epidemic, is the same old same old.

Autism does have a meaning, or did, before it was highjacked by the eugenics group. There has been strong objection and denial when autistic people spoke out.

Geek Syndrome, Engineers Disease, came from functional autistics.

Asperger's, HFA. were rejected by Autism Speaks as not being real autistics. They did not go away, got stronger, and now they are trying to use them.

Genetic study did not pan out, no simple test leading to abortion.

So what to do? Following one of Tamborine-Mans stories to Autism Speaks, I see where they have done what I had said was the dumbest thing possible, half in jest.

Nope, they did it, turned over the largest "Autistic" DNA Data Base ever gathered to China. China if you have read history is a Communist Country, where the Government and Army are One. Part of that Army is the Scientists of the Bioweapons Division, who were given the fuzzy edge of the Round Eyed White Devils DNA. Yes, they want to help eradicate Autism.

The only thing in their way is a half billion Round Eyes. They work night and day on a Cure for Autism.

The Black Death struck Europe, nowhere else. The 1918 Flu killed 50,000,000 Europeans. Both of them likely came from China, who had an immunity.

Now giving the Chinese the DNA, they could do several things, give the Eugenics Movement the tools they are seeking, Or they could find the key to producing autism in all Western children, or, develop a Virus that killed most Europeans.

Europeans are scattered and have many languages and governments, China has one Government, one written language, and the largest population on earth.

We have always had the Eugenics Movement, just as China has had a program of getting rid of the non Chinese.

That one would give our DNA to the other, is the largest single act of Treason of all time.

We are coming into a new era, we do not need workers. Since ex workers can vote, up to changing the form of government, demanding that access to this market is taxed, and income, to the extent to support an unemployed population, what if they had an accident, a fast acting Virus, like 1918, where people under 25 went from perfect health to dead in twelve hours?

Eugenics is not just about ret*ds any longer. It is about Useless Mouths that eat but do not produce. It is about university students that there will be no jobs for, at least in this country.

The returning troops join with their age group, Corporate America does not want them, nor does the Government. Unemployed, poor, they gather in the streets. They are the future, and us old folks support them. Our views on Government, Banks, Brokers, Corporations, are at an all time low.

A Corporate Eugenics Movement that rose from nowhere very recently, very tied in with Government, working with The People's Liberation Army?

I am sure there is nothing to worry about. Like Obama said before the market crash, it was all legal, no one did anything wrong, and you can't prove it. Besides that, you are all dead.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:15 am

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Yes indeed one of his most offensive quotes is on not hiring people of African descent or "stupid" people, meaning us. And he supports eugenics. He also happens to be identifying the autistic genes for autism speaks. When you put the evidence together it looks like a closed case.


Dr. James Watson was head of the Human Genome project years ago. The Autism Genome project is a completely different project that he has never been an employee of. People have gotten this mixed up in the past thinking that the two projects were the same

The association that autism speaks had with him was one through cold springs harbor laboratory where they visited the facility and talked about autism research and the research that had been done there related to cancer. This was in 2007 before Watson was suspended from his position at cold spring harbor research facility for his comments about race and retired from that facility, and was appointed an emeritus position at that facility where he guides research.

Cold springs harbor laboratory has successfully competed for some of the research grants that autism speaks funds along with many other research organizations, however Dr. Watson has an emeritus position at that facility, and is not employeed by autism speaks.

Dr. Watson has some extreme genetic positions on many subjects related to gender, obesity, homosexuality, intelligence, beauty, and race, that many find offensive, but he was an expert in the field of genetics, a nobel laureate and the chancellor of the facility at the time that the founders of autism speaks visited the facility.

Here is the information from the Autism Speaks website:

http://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/wrights-visit-cold-spring-harbor-laboratory

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Autism Speaks co-founders Bob and Suzanne Wright visited the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York on May 10, 2007 to review the latest autism research with Nobel Prize Winner Dr. James Watson. Watson, together with Francis Crick, discovered the structure of DNA in the 1950's and found that the double helix could "unzip" to make copies of itself — confirming suspicions that DNA carried life's hereditary information. The Wrights and the team of scientists at Cold Spring Harbor reviewed the processes by which new cancer treatments were discovered by uncovering the underlying genetic mechanism, and discussed how such techniques might be applied to autism. From left to right: Dr. Michael Wigler, Dr. Tony Zador, Dr. Alea Mills, Dr. Jonathan Sebat, Suzanne Wright, Bob Wright, Dr. Jim Watson, Dr. Bruce Stillman


Here is the bio of Watson from Wiki, that shows his life history. There is no mention of any employment with autism speaks, or employment with the autism genome project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watson

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In 1990, Watson was appointed as the Head of the Human Genome Project at the National Institutes of Health, a position he held until April 10, 1992.[38] Watson left the Genome Project after conflicts with the new NIH Director, Bernadine Healy. Watson was opposed to Healy's attempts to acquire patents on gene sequences, and any ownership of the "laws of nature." Two years before stepping down from the Genome Project, he had stated his own opinion on this long and ongoing controversy which he saw as an illogical barrier to research; he said, "The nations of the world must see that the human genome belongs to the world's people, as opposed to its nations." He left within weeks of the 1992 announcement that the NIH would be applying for patents on brain-specific cDNAs.[39] (The issue of the patentability of genes is still not resolved in the US; see Association for Molecular Pathology v. U.S. Patent and Trademark Office)

In 1994, Watson became President of CSHL. Francis Collins took over the role as Director of the Human Genome Project.

In 2007, James Watson became the second person[40] to publish his fully sequenced genome online,[41] after it was presented to him on May 31, 2007 by 454 Life Sciences Corporation[42] in collaboration with scientists at the Human Genome Sequencing Center, Baylor College of Medicine. Watson was quoted as saying, "I am putting my genome sequence on line to encourage the development of an era of personalized medicine, in which information contained in our genomes can be used to identify and prevent disease and to create individualized medical therapies".[43][44][45]


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Because of the public controversy, on October 18 the Board of Trustees at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory suspended Watson's administrative responsibilities. On October 19, Watson issued an apology; on October 25, he resigned from his position as chancellor.[75][76][77][78][79][80][81] In 2008, Watson was appointed chancellor emeritus of CSHL.[82] As of 2009, he continues to advise and guide project work at the laboratory



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07 Nov 2011, 1:12 am

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I see, a propaganda buyer.

You are with the Eugenics Movement. They change names and faces, but the game never changes.

The tactics never change, Autism Speaks videos were a direct takeoff of Lives Not Worth Living.

Autism is a front, a word without meaning, which came to be a catchall for ret*d, Birth Defects, Mutes, ASDs, and seeking a Genetic Cure for eradicating this Autism Epidemic, is the same old same old.

Autism does have a meaning, or did, before it was highjacked by the eugenics group. There has been strong objection and denial when autistic people spoke out.

Geek Syndrome, Engineers Disease, came from functional autistics.

Asperger's, HFA. were rejected by Autism Speaks as not being real autistics. They did not go away, got stronger, and now they are trying to use them.

Genetic study did not pan out, no simple test leading to abortion.

So what to do? Following one of Tamborine-Mans stories to Autism Speaks, I see where they have done what I had said was the dumbest thing possible, half in jest.

Nope, they did it, turned over the largest "Autistic" DNA Data Base ever gathered to China. China if you have read history is a Communist Country, where the Government and Army are One. Part of that Army is the Scientists of the Bioweapons Division, who were given the fuzzy edge of the Round Eyed White Devils DNA. Yes, they want to help eradicate Autism.

The only thing in their way is a half billion Round Eyes. They work night and day on a Cure for Autism.

The Black Death struck Europe, nowhere else. The 1918 Flu killed 50,000,000 Europeans. Both of them likely came from China, who had an immunity.

Now giving the Chinese the DNA, they could do several things, give the Eugenics Movement the tools they are seeking, Or they could find the key to producing autism in all Western children, or, develop a Virus that killed most Europeans.

Europeans are scattered and have many languages and governments, China has one Government, one written language, and the largest population on earth.

We have always had the Eugenics Movement, just as China has had a program of getting rid of the non Chinese.

That one would give our DNA to the other, is the largest single act of Treason of all time.

We are coming into a new era, we do not need workers. Since ex workers can vote, up to changing the form of government, demanding that access to this market is taxed, and income, to the extent to support an unemployed population, what if they had an accident, a fast acting Virus, like 1918, where people under 25 went from perfect health to dead in twelve hours?

Eugenics is not just about ret*ds any longer. It is about Useless Mouths that eat but do not produce. It is about university students that there will be no jobs for, at least in this country.

The returning troops join with their age group, Corporate America does not want them, nor does the Government. Unemployed, poor, they gather in the streets. They are the future, and us old folks support them. Our views on Government, Banks, Brokers, Corporations, are at an all time low.

A Corporate Eugenics Movement that rose from nowhere very recently, very tied in with Government, working with The People's Liberation Army?

I am sure there is nothing to worry about. Like Obama said before the market crash, it was all legal, no one did anything wrong, and you can't prove it. Besides that, you are all dead.


If that's the case there is much more to worry about with China than autism. The BGI corporation, founded in China, that is working in partnership with autism speaks, to increase the genome library for autism, is an international one that has websites in the US and Europe.

They have sequenced 10,000 genomes so far internationally before becoming involved with the effort to sequence genomes in autistic families both in China and the US.

Here is a link to their American website, where a link to the press release about the partnership with autism speaks can be found:

http://bgiamericas.com/

Reminds me of the Quantex computer I bought that I thought was made from American Company until I noticed the obvious spelling areas mis-translated from chinese.

Note on the right hand side where it says sequencing staring at $999. (staring instead of starting)

A person can purchase their own genome sequencing from the company if they have the money to buy it.