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31 Oct 2011, 4:24 am

If there was to be a big project, in which aspies from all over the world could contribute, what could it be? What should it be?


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31 Oct 2011, 4:26 am

An aspie micro-nation, of course.



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31 Oct 2011, 5:08 am

shouldn't we ask what as aspies would we want to make that would require such a colaboration.



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31 Oct 2011, 5:14 am

Agreed. We shouldn't go headlong in to something which seems unreasonably straightforward when others might not care for it. I don't think a micronation will work. I'd rather develop in another's shadow... like an Oak Tree.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:21 am

A vast, world spanning conspiracy planning for something called the Ascension [of Atlantis], just to scare people.

Seriously? I've no idea, save for a Micronation. Perhaps an Aspie Development Agency, to support Aspie businesses and projects, to build up our economic strength.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:43 am

I got a good idea. We'll have a countdown timer to 2012 and whatever the date is and we'll call the page nibiruconspiracy.com.

Then at the bottom we'll have a donation box to paypal saying pay here to become an immortal human.



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31 Oct 2011, 9:00 am

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If there was to be a big project, in which aspies from all over the world could contribute, what could it be? What should it be?

One that pays well for the work being done.


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31 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

What would be the aim? To show the world we're not useless? To raise the profile of Aspies?

Do bear in mind you're attempting to do the equivilent of getting cats to agree here...



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31 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

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What would be the aim? To show the world we're not useless? To raise the profile of Aspies?

Do bear in mind you're attempting to do the equivilent of getting cats to agree here...


No, what we're herding are bonobos that have been pushed around by common chimps, minus the gender commentary. Or maybe two subspecies of Gorilla. With the nibiru thing I was just thinking it might be a great way of making money by playing on the fears of crazy conspiracy theorists.



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31 Oct 2011, 2:17 pm

No, it really is like trying to herd cats... fidning something a sizeable amount of autists will agree on is a very difficult task.

But, carry on. An Autist micronation would be great, but are there any less resource intensive ones? Perhaps crowdsourcing a book on Autism, written by Autists themselves?



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31 Oct 2011, 5:33 pm

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No, it really is like trying to herd cats... fidning something a sizeable amount of autists will agree on is a very difficult task.

And NTs are different? Also what do you base your evidence on? This sounds ironically more like people trying to excuse themselves for being difficult rather than being some autistic trait. I doubt any autistic people have collected in the thousands or tens and thousands ever for one task. How do you know? Because NTs say we're gonna be bad or based on real evidence?

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But, carry on. An Autist micronation would be great, but are there any less resource intensive ones? Perhaps crowdsourcing a book on Autism, written by Autists themselves?

Raising money by any means would be good. Then fund a move to several places or centralization in large cities for those who are capable enough.



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01 Nov 2011, 5:36 am

Because NT's are more likely to follow a single leader, who can hold such a group together. For example, people like you can't seem to see that what we really have to do is my idea... :wink:

Trust me, getting Autists to work together and agree on something is harder than getting Enties to, because Enties will just give up their dissent for the sake of social harmony. Yet, even then they usually fail. What makes you think we'd have a better chance?

Yes, an Autist neighbourhood would be able to work, I'd imagine, since you're not relying on agreement to keep it together... perhaps, then, if they'd like to start moving and taking over a few adjacent streets?



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01 Nov 2011, 9:48 am

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Because NT's are more likely to follow a single leader, who can hold such a group together. For example, people like you can't seem to see that what we really have to do is my idea... :wink:

Well actually most times they just don't follow a leader unless they have some sort of socially-recognised obligation to do so. If we were then it would have to be based on reason. That would require aspies to be reasonable however... Well at least it'll quickly weed out unreasonable people.

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Trust me, getting Autists to work together and agree on something is harder than getting Enties to, because Enties will just give up their dissent for the sake of social harmony. Yet, even then they usually fail. What makes you think we'd have a better chance?

Because when NTs might have spurious reasons not to we might not. Furthermore we would do something spontaneous without precedent unlike NTs who of course would feel trepidation at rocking the boat. It's a double-edged sword Magneto.

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Yes, an Autist neighbourhood would be able to work, I'd imagine, since you're not relying on agreement to keep it together... perhaps, then, if they'd like to start moving and taking over a few adjacent streets?

Exactly! It's a system which bases itself on convenience and plugs in to the present economic environment far more easily.



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01 Nov 2011, 10:25 am

Aspies, being more in favour of change that's not caused by them? Are you sure...?

In my experience, I've found that, while Aspies would be more likely to act upon a new idea they think is good, they'd do it without any consideration of the consequence to other people; also, when someone disagrees with them on whether it's a good idea or not, no-one would give any ground and the argument would never get resolved.

Of course, not every Aspie is like that - some will follow one person like a puppy...

You have an unrealistic view of Aspie nature.

Anyway, city Aspies can live in the city, rural Aspies can live in the country...?



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01 Nov 2011, 10:34 am

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In my experience, I've found that, while Aspies would be more likely to act upon a new idea they think is good, they'd do it without any consideration of the consequence to other people; also, when someone disagrees with them on whether it's a good idea or not, no-one would give any ground and the argument would never get resolved.

Not really. I have found that aspies can be very conscientious. It's a personality trait you are talking about. Selfishness is something I am not known for really.

As for disagreeing yes they can be stubborn but I have also found very flexible at times. I am a laissez-faire man. MY friend is a down-home communist. Yet in economics affairs we manage to quite easily agree. Again stubbornness is a personality trait and has nothing to do with aspie-ness. Also I doubt aspies are more stubborn than NTs, of which many individuals have been or are willing to kill and maim over religions, race, 'honour' and throw all sorts of hateful remarks at eachother across all sorts of kinds and creeds.



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01 Nov 2011, 10:39 am

Magneto wrote:
You have an unrealistic view of Aspie nature.

Really? Can you actually say why without making reference to arbitrarily applied characteristics.

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Anyway, city Aspies can live in the city, rural Aspies can live in the country...?

What's with your arbitrary remark about city aspies and rural aspies. I can live in the city or ruralities. Whatever suits me. I am flexible.

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Aspies, being more in favour of change that's not caused by them? Are you sure...?

Not what I said. I said a system that makes interaction convenient rather than just throwing ourselves out in to the wildness is going to be more successful.

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Of course, not every Aspie is like that - some will follow one person like a puppy...

This is where I decided you just wanted to plant various negative traits on us without actually being realistic.