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01 Apr 2012, 7:21 am

I saw this morning on cnn sanjay gupta that a doctor said that some genes associated with autism may already be indentified.Although he said he doubted autism was genentic because that the fact of the jump in autism from 1 in 110 to 1 in 88 is to fast for genes to change.he did say however that some genes have clearly been indentified with autism.i dont recall the doctors name but im sure cnn.com has the arcticle.what do you think this could mean policaly


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01 Apr 2012, 11:03 am

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I saw this morning on cnn sanjay gupta that a doctor said that some genes associated with autism may already be indentified.Although he said he doubted autism was genentic because that the fact of the jump in autism from 1 in 110 to 1 in 88 is to fast for genes to change.he did say however that some genes have clearly been indentified with autism.i dont recall the doctors name but im sure cnn.com has the arcticle.what do you think this could mean policaly


That jump is due to more inclusive diagnostic criteria, i.e. the recognition of Asperger's and HFA as autism spectrum disorders. And yes, autism has a genetic component (as well as an environmental component that comes into play during gestation or shortly after birth), and some genetic abnormalities that increase the risk of autism have indeed been identified.

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/ ... -to-autism
http://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pa ... utism.aspx



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01 Apr 2012, 1:01 pm

So if you are born with it and it is not genetic... how does one come to have it? The argument doesn't make any sense unless their are definitions I am misunderstanding...

Then again, perhaps if ASD are induced diseases there are certain genes that will result in the inducement of disease.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

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So if you are born with it and it is not genetic... how does one come to have it? The argument doesn't make any sense unless their are definitions I am misunderstanding...

Then again, perhaps if ASD are induced diseases there are certain genes that will result in the inducement of disease.
that point confused me to.how can he say that some of the genes that cause autism have been indentified yet then says autism is not genenetic.
ANSWER 1.there has simply been more diagnosises because of better diagnostic knowledge available to doctors and the genes have been around for much longer,long enough for genetic changes to validly take place
ANSWER 2.the genes found only go to presence of autism not a genetic link to autism being passed from 1 generation to another.meaning genes people with autism carry not genes autistics inherit.
its always been my belief that autism is genetic and im not advocating or defending this doctor view points but it is the first time that medical profesionals have conclusivly stated there are genes linked to autism.the doctor didnt say if the fragile X chromozone was part of the genetic link


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04 Apr 2012, 7:37 pm

Some people should not be allowed to speak of Genetics.

All life is directly caused by Genetics.

Not only the life forms, but their varity, and most of their forms of demise.

Predicting Autism through Genetics has the same odds as predicting how a Genetic Line mixes with another, both having blond or brown hair, brown or blue eyes, who then produce a Redhaired child with Green eyes, with or without freckles. With or without curly hair, sets of traits that manifest together, on a Spectrum, from copper highlights, to curly haired, freckled, and full Ginger.

Redheads do not breed true. They are most likely to have drab children.

It is an expressed genetic pattern, that just crops up.

If Autism is increasing, not just better numbers, it is because the whole Gene Pool is ever changing, and with the rise of technology, nerds are getting laid. Technology takes men who understand it,

The two rose together, and men who could plow 80 acres in a day were replaced by tractors. They went to warehouse work and were replaced by forklifts, Over a hundred and fifty years they became less desireable mates.

Over that time the pattern of genetic selection changed, from 99% farmers, able to live a very active life, to soul destroyed Cubical Serfs, who use a mouse.

We have moved from Farmer, to Industrial, to Post Industrial, to Geeks making computers, to a short lived Information Age, and now into a Post Information Age. We have made people obsolete.

Our largest unsecured debt of all time? Over a Trillion in Student Loans as obsolete people try to gain higher education to become employable.

Some traits of High Function Autism, Asperger's, do fit well with education,

On the other hand we are producing less jobs that call for a high education. Education now produces even more surplus potential workers that drive wages down for the field.

All of this effects the Gene Pool, some lines diminish, some marginal lines bloom for a season, Geeks from 1970 to 2000 had very high reproduction for their group.

It fits the rise of Autism, but the tech has been shipped to China, and the post geek generation finds their ideas are easy to steal and ship to China, which is killing computer technology.

In the last stand of normal people they stole everything, Worldcom, Enron, Madoff, The Government that went from a 2000 surplus of $250 Billion, to a debt of $15 Trillion, And MF Global that that misplaced $1.5 Billion in investor funds.

The changing Gene Pool produces various types, recently the inventive, technological, and upper class thieves.

This study has all the validity of one seeking to find out how many redheads with curly hair and freckles, are also left handed and favor cutting taxes for the job producers.

With Science like this we do not need ignorance.