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23 Jul 2012, 5:28 pm

I'm not one to dive into this sort of thing, but this is one I couldn't let slide. At all.

http://www.change.org/petitions/joe-sca ... o-shooting


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23 Jul 2012, 5:46 pm

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23 Jul 2012, 6:07 pm

I signed it and face booked Joe Scarborough politely but firmly asking him to rescind it.

Was that too much?



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23 Jul 2012, 6:09 pm

EstherJ wrote:
I signed it and face booked Joe Scarborough politely but firmly asking him to rescind it.

Was that too much?


I don't think so.

OP - thanks for posting this.


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23 Jul 2012, 6:12 pm

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There's a possibility Anders Breivik is on the spectrum. There's a possibility Ian Stawicki, Seattle mass muderer a few months ago, was on the spectrum. There's a possibility Jeffrey Dahmer and the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, were on the spectrum. Time will tell if The Joker's on there, too.


Yeah yeah I am sure they all have aspergers and everyone in the future who commits such a crime with have aspergers, that is what you get when you listen to the media.


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23 Jul 2012, 6:39 pm

If, in fact, he does have Asperger's, then there's no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned. People with Asperger's aren't perfect, innocent angels.



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23 Jul 2012, 6:46 pm

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If, in fact, he does have Asperger's, then there's no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned. People with Asperger's aren't perfect, innocent angels.


Neither are the normal people.


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23 Jul 2012, 7:08 pm

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If, in fact, he does have Asperger's, then there's no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned. People with Asperger's aren't perfect, innocent angels.


It's one thing to say someone committed a crime and has a history with Asperger's. It's another thing altogether to say someone committed a crime because the person has a history of Asperger's. Moreover, the comment in question seems to have come before they would have been able to investigate and confirm it. At the end of the day though, it doesn't matter how you look at it, those of us on the spectrum are painted in a bad light because of that comment.


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23 Jul 2012, 7:37 pm

I've never been a fan of Joe Scarborough by any means, however, I fully respect his right to voice an opinion, even if it is off base.

This whole notion that people should be forced to retract statements is MORE appalling to me then the statements themselves or the people who say them.

Seriously, this is actually sort of Neurotypical: "My feelings have been hurt by what you said! How dare you! Now I'm emotional."

People, get a grip here.

On an interesting side note: Scarborough himself may very well have murdered a woman, an intern he was having an affair with that was found dead in his office some years ago. Irony.

Nonetheless, the idea of trying to censure and control people's speech is very troubling to me.



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23 Jul 2012, 9:00 pm

I don't find what he's said particularly offensive, more downright ignorant. I pity people like that, and it does anger me somewhat but I can't agree with this petition.

If it was aiming to get an apology or demanding an explanation, I think I would, but wanting someone to retract their statement entirely is just...no. I refuse to taboo free speech.

Besides, ignorant statements like this are what brings about change. We need stupid people to say the wrong things so we can point out to the world how stupid and wrong they are :lol:



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23 Jul 2012, 9:39 pm

Hold on a minute, what's the distinction you guys are making between apologizing for and redacting a statement??


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23 Jul 2012, 9:47 pm

again_with_this wrote:
I've never been a fan of Joe Scarborough by any means, however, I fully respect his right to voice an opinion, even if it is off base.

This whole notion that people should be forced to retract statements is MORE appalling to me then the statements themselves or the people who say them.

Seriously, this is actually sort of Neurotypical: "My feelings have been hurt by what you said! How dare you! Now I'm emotional."

People, get a grip here.

On an interesting side note: Scarborough himself may very well have murdered a woman, an intern he was having an affair with that was found dead in his office some years ago. Irony.

Nonetheless, the idea of trying to censure and control people's speech is very troubling to me.


I hate to break it to you but experiencing emotions is not a neurotypical thing it's a human thing. I however do not believe its possible to retract a statement, the guy said what he said and made an ass of himself. Even so I signed the petition because I hope it creates some hassle for him. :lol:


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23 Jul 2012, 10:18 pm

As his description sounds like me I have to say I am offended as it's a form of demonisation.



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23 Jul 2012, 11:31 pm

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Hold on a minute, what's the distinction you guys are making between apologizing for and redacting a statement??

I guess I think of it like...if I called you a d*ck.

If I apologised I'd say "I'm sorry I called you a d*ck", but inside I'd still think you were a d*ck.

If I retracted my statement I'd say "Err, I mean, you're not really a d*ck.", but inside I'd still be thinking you're a d*ck, difference is now I would have lied just to appease you. That only causes problems, really, because nothing's going to change my mind and sooner or later you're going to find out that not only do I think you're a d*ck, but I also lied to you.

You know? Saying that, I don't think you're a d*ck, I like you :lol:



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23 Jul 2012, 11:57 pm

AJCoyne wrote:
AScomposer13413 wrote:
Hold on a minute, what's the distinction you guys are making between apologizing for and redacting a statement??

I guess I think of it like...if I called you a d*ck.

If I apologised I'd say "I'm sorry I called you a d*ck", but inside I'd still think you were a d*ck.

If I retracted my statement I'd say "Err, I mean, you're not really a d*ck.", but inside I'd still be thinking you're a d*ck, difference is now I would have lied just to appease you. That only causes problems, really, because nothing's going to change my mind and sooner or later you're going to find out that not only do I think you're a d*ck, but I also lied to you.


But even when you're redacting something like that, wouldn't you still have to preface it with "I'm sorry"?? Not to mention, on that same logic, saying "I'm sorry I called you that" when you're probably thinking it would still constitute a lie, to a degree. I would just have less of a reason to call you on it.

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You know? Saying that, I don't think you're a d*ck, I like you :lol:


:lol: Thanks! And for the record, the sentiment's mutual: I don't think you're a *insert different synonym for the word she used*. I like you too :lol:


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24 Jul 2012, 12:00 am

I can't say I argue with your logic, but that's what it's like in my head. I guess we all have our own different perceptions of what's considered lying and what's acceptable :)
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