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26 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm

as mad as it may sound. i wanted to establish my own political party. laughable i know. but i was dead into it.



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26 Nov 2012, 1:56 pm

Go for it. More than ever we need to break the traditional R vs D and really think about the underlying issues.

What are your planks?



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26 Nov 2012, 4:24 pm

You gotta separate what you want to what others might want.

You wanna belong to a group as it appear more than you'd want to be part of a group for any reason.

Identify causes and under how your's different from other issues.



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27 Nov 2012, 12:31 am

A socialist party. It's much easier for aspies to get hired and promoted in the public sector. So we should make all the means of production publicly owned. Aspie problems solved. Society as a whole might be poorer but aspies and workers would be better off, just NT's and capitalists would be worse off.

I'm thinking of something like Market Socialism, which is a hybrid system that "runs government like a business" (a slogan to steal Republican votes). It's basically government operating partially like a free market, so it avoids the pitfalls of traditional socialism.



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27 Nov 2012, 12:39 am

Running government like a business sounds great, so under your system, I will finally be able to fire the people who come into work and collect a paycheck and do no work? They are protected because it's so hard to fire government employees, but if we are running it like a business, they will be able to be fired.

My first concern though with any candidate is respect for civil rights. What will you do to protect my Constitutional rights? What new freedoms will you give me?



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27 Nov 2012, 12:44 am

Yes, fire them. And it could be better for aspies under a form of "market socialism" because hiring, firing, and promotions could be fairly standardized, rather than personalized, like even to the point of computer-recorded productivity charts, so kissing up to the boss just won't work any more. Bury them with regulations, and it'll be too risky to discriminate for arbitrary reasons.

Easier to fire people for bad performance than in the current public sector, harder to fire/discriminate arbitrarily like in the current private sector. We'd probably be less dynamic and innovative and poorer as a whole, but aspies and many workers/low-income people would be better off (possibly a majority of people would be better off).

Civil Rights -- adopt a more "modern" Constitution that, for example, makes it ok to criminalize "hate speech" and bullying but protects all the basics like sex, age, ethnicity (scrap "race" it doesn't exist), disability, and sexual orientation. Something like the EU's or Canada's Constitution.



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27 Nov 2012, 9:28 am

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Civil Rights -- adopt a more "modern" Constitution that, for example, makes it ok to criminalize "hate speech" and bullying but protects all the basics like sex, age, ethnicity (scrap "race" it doesn't exist), disability, and sexual orientation. Something like the EU's or Canada's Constitution.


Lost me there. Sorry. Won't be voting for you.

As much as I hate "hate speech" I loath the idea of criminalizing it, because who defines what hate speech is? Free speech must be as absolute as possible.



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30 Nov 2012, 9:47 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
A socialist party. It's much easier for aspies to get hired and promoted in the public sector. So we should make all the means of production publicly owned. Aspie problems solved. Society as a whole might be poorer but aspies and workers would be better off, just NT's and capitalists would be worse off.

I'm thinking of something like Market Socialism, which is a hybrid system that "runs government like a business" (a slogan to steal Republican votes). It's basically government operating partially like a free market, so it avoids the pitfalls of traditional socialism.
Not a bad idea :)



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30 Nov 2012, 9:51 pm

DaveTheRave wrote:
as mad as it may sound. i wanted to establish my own political party. laughable i know. but i was dead into it.

Nice idea, but (1) What are the policies; and (2) how will you finance it?

Lots of people want to establish their own political party, but what most really want to lead a party that already exists.


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30 Nov 2012, 10:04 pm

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Society as a whole might be poorer but aspies and workers would be better off, just NT's and capitalists would be worse off.


How does me being poorer make me better off exactly?

We should be striving to make everyone better, not worse.