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11 Nov 2012, 10:03 am

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"The government has put Nate Tseglin in a psychiatric hospital, but his parents insist they can take better care of the 22-year-old man with Asperger’s syndrome. The case highlights the difficulties in caring for adults with developmental issues ... Nate Tseglin was living in a filthy, locked bedroom that reeked of urine, scratching himself to the point of bleeding, making himself vomit and banging his head on walls in his parents' apartment, police say. When panic attacks seized him, the 22-year-old Irvine man sometimes kicked, punched and bit - injuring family, caretakers, medical professionals and law enforcement, according to police and public records. Tseglin has Asperger's syndrome ..."


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11 Nov 2012, 10:19 am

It is how some of them see us. Unfortunately, it's also how some of us are. I'm sure there's more to this young man's problems than just Asperger's, but given similar conditions and upbringing, who's to say that couldn't have been me?


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11 Nov 2012, 10:23 am

They led the story with the worst of his symptoms, and made little effort to 'balance' the story.

If this were the first (or only) article you'd ever read about Aspies, what would your impression be?


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11 Nov 2012, 11:51 am

When I tell people 'I'm an Aspie'. Usually the first thing they'll say is something like; oh like the 'Rainman' movie; we should take you gambling with us.

Its not like that at all, and this 'Austic savant' movie stereotype hasn't helped understanding. High functioning Aspie's, like myself have families, jobs, drive cars ect. but we are socially handicapped. I can't get a promotion, I've had 25 jobs in 25 years of being in the workforce, my dating life sucked until I met my wife. Its an invisible disability that even I don't fully understand.


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11 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm

I don't think this is how they see people with aspergers. It is just a case, one in a million. or whatever.


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11 Nov 2012, 3:18 pm

Do people who watch the film, "Trainspotting", think all Scots are heroin addicts?



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11 Nov 2012, 5:51 pm

Okay, Marcia, point made.

I guess it's because I live less that 20 miles from the Tseglin home, and some of my co-workers live within a block or two. If they even begin to suspect that I'm an Aspie, how will they treat me then?

(Rhetorical question, btw.)


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11 Nov 2012, 5:55 pm

I think that most people do see people with AS this way, as someone like this guy who can't function on a basic basis.



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11 Nov 2012, 6:33 pm

^ Like my former general practitioner, who said that I could not possibly be an Aspie because I don't play with fire, wet the bed, or torture helpless animals.


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11 Nov 2012, 8:15 pm

Marcia wrote:
Do people who watch the film, "Trainspotting", think all Scots are heroin addicts?


But they ARE all heroin addicts. William Wallace would have gotten killed a lot sooner had it not been for the heroin numbing his pain. The only reason he got caught is he ran out of his fix. :P



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11 Nov 2012, 8:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
btrbnnyr wrote:
I think that most people do see people with AS this way, as someone like this guy who can't function on a basic basis.

^ Like my former general practitioner, who said that I could not possibly be an Aspie because I don't play with fire, wet the bed, or torture helpless animals.


How does someone still manage to keep their job with a comment like that?!?!? :x :x :x


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11 Nov 2012, 10:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
They led the story with the worst of his symptoms, and made little effort to 'balance' the story.

If this were the first (or only) article you'd ever read about Aspies, what would your impression be?


Reality isn't "balanced", and journalists should only report reality.



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11 Nov 2012, 10:13 pm

Fnord wrote:
^ Like my former general practitioner, who said that I could not possibly be an Aspie because I don't play with fire, wet the bed, or torture helpless animals.


Those are symptoms of sociopathy, not Asperger's.



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11 Nov 2012, 10:14 pm

I don't understand what your point is here, Fnord. This illustrates a case of someone unable to take care of himself, and clearly his parents couldn't take care of him either, so the state intervened. What's wrong with this?



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11 Nov 2012, 10:58 pm

Disraeli wrote:
I don't understand what your point is here, Fnord. This illustrates a case of someone unable to take care of himself, and clearly his parents couldn't take care of him either, so the state intervened. What's wrong with this?

There is nothing "wrong" with the report, or with the intervention by the State. What is "wrong" is that the details as given in the article might lead people to believe that all Aspies are like Nate Tseglin. There is no disclaimer that we aren't.

If a general practitioner can think such awful things about us and be wrong, then how much more likely for the aggregate population to think the same, or worse, from reading just the first few paragraphs of an unbalanced story?


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11 Nov 2012, 11:15 pm

Did anyone actually read the whole article?

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Nate Tseglin's case is severe, but many people with developmental disabilities function well in society with the help of their parents and nonprofit groups.
Ron Freedman, 62, has lived alone in for 30 years in housing provided by Project Independence. A caretaker checks in on him every day.
He finds it difficult to explain his disability – an intellectual impairment with unknown causes and some symptoms of dwarfism – but he doesn't mind discussing it.
"It doesn't bother me if I can get along with everyone," he said.
His sister visits often with her son and granddaughters. Photos of family line his shelves, and he refers to them often when he speaks. Every weekend, he goes bowling with friends or visits the beach or the movies.
He volunteers with charities and causes and is looking for a job at Disneyland or Souplantation & Sweet Tomatoes to help pay his income-based rent.