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21 May 2014, 5:17 am

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... laims.html


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21 May 2014, 10:00 am

Here we go again.

Lovely that they don't run with the headline: "NEW STUDY FINDS MAJORITY OF EXTREME MASS MURDERERS ARE NEUROTYPICAL"

It's what the data shows, but not what the journos want to see.



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21 May 2014, 11:18 am

I get really angry at the allistic supremacist media saying that autism or anything similar being a factor in acts of criminal violence including child molestation being linked to autism. I know really that this is just Neo Nazi propaganda and excuses that they do not understand autism/Asperger syndrome. Really the vast majority of serial killers and nonces are allistic that means that most serial killers and nonces are on the neurotypical spectrum. I know that if this was put in the Sun, daily Mirror or the Daily Mail then allistic people would not buy them. I also know that in the past the Daily Mail has supported the British Union of Fascists under Oswald Mosley in the 1930s and also started the UKs reefer madness ( off topic here, sorry). If I labelled allistic people the way the media portray us then I would be banned from this website. That is because we are just demanded that we just take the insults and be as nice as pie. Alsom we are expected to take their pathetic excuses for this Nazi proapganda that allistic people would like to believe as fact. Also in relation to the Asperger syndrome person who was killed by a thick allistic or educationally subnormal person. The man only got four years bird for that, An Asperger syndrome person would have been given life without parole and arse raped in the showers for less. I would love to read in a paper that says THE MAJORITY OF SERIAL KILLERS AND PAEDOPHILES ARE ON THE NEUROTYPICAL SPECTRUM. But there is about as much chance of that as my mum becoming America's next president. :idea:



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21 May 2014, 1:26 pm

Where is the fear mongering exactly?


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21 May 2014, 6:39 pm

Anyone who assumes that the higher crime rate among autistics is related to genetics, but not the higher crime rate among blacks, is a hypocrite; so everyone who believes this crap must be either that or a racist. Saying that autistic genes make someone more likely to be violent isn't that far separated from saying that people of a particular ethnicity are more likely to be violent because of their genes. Genes are a spectrum like autism, thus autism can't be genetically related to violence, without ethnicity also being genetically related to violence to some degree. The way I see it, the only rational choice that people have is either to assume that environmental factors are the main cause of violence, or to just be a bigot.



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22 May 2014, 11:19 am

The Trivialising of neurobigotry including aspiphobia can open the door to racism and/or anti Semitism. and It must be known that the State sponsored anti Semitism in Germany from 1933 to 1945 used the state sponsored neurobigotry as a blueprint for atrocities and genocide. I think that propaganda against autistic people and those with learning disabilities should be a criminal offence and the media should be punished hard for their hate mongering because inciting racism, anti Semitism, and homophobia is a criminal offence in the UK so should be inciting neurobigotry and aspiphobia should be as well as well as pathologising some aspects of neurodivergent people and their issues. It does not matter whether it is some nutter on a soap box or a journalist should be brought to book. :arrow:



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22 May 2014, 2:18 pm

Aspiewordsmith wrote:
The Trivialising of neurobigotry including aspiphobia can open the door to racism and/or anti Semitism. and It must be knwn that the State sponsored anti Semitism in Germany from 1933 to 1945 used the state sponsored neurobigotry as a blueprint for atrocities and genocide. I think that propaganda against autistic people and those with learning disabilities should be a criminal offence and the media should be punished hard for their hate mongering because inciting racism, anti Semitism, and homophobia is acriminal offence in the UK so should be inciting neurobigotry and aspiphobia should be as well as well as pathologising some aspects of neurodivergent people and their issues. It odes not matter whether it is some nutter on a soap box or a journalist should be brought to book. :arrow:


This is quite true, they wanted to "sanitize" the gene pool of "mental defectives" long before they arrived at the "final solution to the Jewish problem."



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29 May 2014, 8:25 am

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that most mass murderers and indeed most violent criminals were sociopaths.

The confusion between ASD and ASPD continues to cause problems for people with autism, and everyone should work to clear that confusion away. However, I see a lot of good reasons to fear people with ASPD, or at least to become aware of the signs and avoid such people. They seem likely to pose more of a threat to people with ASD than to NTs.



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11 Jul 2014, 7:24 am

How depressing. They used to think poor people had a genetic predisposition to crime in the popularised eugenics movement in America, I think in the early part of the 20th century. Sad that they're trying to demonise people on the autism spectrum and somehow attempting to justify why "normalising" people on autism spectrum by imposing neurotypical standards is acceptable



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11 Jul 2014, 8:07 am

Here's a thing to bear in mind about journalism...

Here's a headline from today's google news stream:

Chimpanzees? Intelligence Hugely Dependent On Genes They Inherit From Parents
http://www.ibtimes.com/chimpanzees-inte ... ts-1625288

Earlier today that headline said "Mostly Dependent"

But here is the same story from one of the sources that article cites:

Like in Humans, Genes Drive Half of Chimp Intelligence, Study Finds

And the story goes even farther from the silly IBTimes piece:

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Although Hopkins and colleagues found a strong genetic component to chimp intelligence, there were equally strong effects from environmental influences, which are malleable over time.

These results are similar to those in human studies, noted Ajit Varki, distinguished professor of medicine at the University of California, San Diego, who was not part of the new study.

What's more, the power of the environment may be underestimated by studies like these, Varki said. "In the impoverished and stereotyped setting of long-term captivity," he said, "the critical influence of environmental variability could be markedly blunted."


The story looks completely different once you pay attention to the sources and the complexity of the issues.

Most of the stories about aspergers/autism and violence come from this same school of rubbish journalism. Hack writers are looking for an "angle" and an emotional hook to sell a story and really don't a give a damn about truth.



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20 Aug 2014, 5:48 pm

Smythley wrote:
How depressing. They used to think poor people had a genetic predisposition to crime in the popularised eugenics movement in America, I think in the early part of the 20th century. Sad that they're trying to demonise people on the autism spectrum and somehow attempting to justify why "normalising" people on autism spectrum by imposing neurotypical standards is acceptable

I think that its true and that things like this are desighned to marginalize us, this is why we need to take a stand. i think if we were to go around the net or even to go around the real world and make a strong stance agenst things like this i think we might be able to make things change.



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21 Aug 2014, 4:52 pm

the real shame is that anyone thinks that any outlet owned by rupert murdoc's newscorp is actually a legitimate news organization. all they are are lies, fear-mongering, and sensationalism. but the NT's eat that $#!7 up, so what ya gonna do?



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21 Aug 2014, 5:38 pm

Hi_Im_B0B wrote:
the real shame is that anyone thinks that any outlet owned by rupert murdoc's newscorp is actually a legitimate news organization. all they are are lies, fear-mongering, and sensationalism. but the NT's eat that $#!7 up, so what ya gonna do?

we could start a protest, or we could b***h and moan and sit on are lazzy asses eating chips.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:43 am

Yes, most journalism about autism is crap, as is most journalism.


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23 Aug 2014, 3:10 pm

Fun fact folks,

Margaret Sanger, one of Planned Parenthood's founders, was really into eugenics, and there's also a nasty eugenic streak running through some prominent radfem ideas.

As in the Marcottes and Valentis of this world...

Oh - also that Krista woman...

Interesting when you track down... we're in a fascist age, folks..



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23 Aug 2014, 9:19 pm

alcockell wrote:
Fun fact folks,

Margaret Sanger, one of Planned Parenthood's founders, was really into eugenics, and there's also a nasty eugenic streak running through some prominent radfem ideas.

As in the Marcottes and Valentis of this world...

Oh - also that Krista woman...

Interesting when you track down... we're in a fascist age, folks..

so did walt disney but i highly dought that mickey mouse represented adolf hitter. i mean im not saying that it dosnt, i dont realy know for all i know they very well might but just because the founder was dosn't mean that the entire orginization is and it assumes that shes still alive and still has control over the orginization. also if you mean abortions thats quite a bit more complex of an issue since the child hasn't actually been born yet and there in another persons body. i dont think abortion is the right thing to do, but i also think that its not a simple issue and that people arn't bad people for disagreeing with my personal beleifs. not everythings black and white.