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17 Apr 2016, 8:36 am

The following in an excerpt from Why the Tech Industry Needs More Autism :

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Autism is NOT a disorder

In the DSM-5, Autism is classified as a neurodevelopmental disorder. However, this notion is controversial and outdated. Many people who have been diagnosed with Autism do not consider their Autism a disorder and scientists are increasingly starting to join their ranks.

Because Autism comes with both extreme weaknesses (flaws) and extreme strengths (gifts), scientists are starting to support the notion that Autism is just a natural but extreme variation in functioning rather than a disorder to be cured. This means that Autism — although at the edges of what qualifies as normal human behavior — is a part of normal human biodiversity.

It is also argued that many (if not all) symptoms associated with Autism are not so much caused by Autism but rather by Autistic people being forced to conform to the mould of a society designed for “Neurotypical” people. That means that these symptoms can and should be alleviated by allowing Autistic people to be themselves instead of forcing them to behave in ways that are alien to them. One might even argue that in a hypothetical society run by Autistic people, it’s the “Neurotypical” who appears to be have some kind of “disorder”.

From this perspective, labeling Autism as a disorder is not just wrong but damaging for the Autistic community, because it creates a false perception that people with Autistic are intrinsically less productive members of society, whereas many people with Autism are not just equally productive but even more productive than “Neurotypicals” when fostering an environment that allows their strengths to compensate for their weaknesses.

Changes in the scientific perception of Autism

Eugen Bleuler, a Swiss psychiatrist, was the first person to use the term Autism in 1911, as a reference to one group of symptoms of schizophrenia. Bleuler defined Autism as a detachment from reality associated with rich fantasy life:

“The […] schizophrenics who have no more contact with the outside world live in a world of their own. They have encased themselves with their desires and wishes […]; they have cut themselves off as much as possible from any contact with the external world. This detachment from reality with the relative and absolute predominance of the inner life, we term Autism.”

Bleuler described a rich variety of clinical manifestations of Autism: poor ability to enter into contact with others, withdrawal and inaccessibility (in the extreme cases, negativism), indifference, rigid attitudes and behaviors, deranged hierarchy of values and goals, inappropriate behavior, idiosyncratic logic, and a propensity to delusional thinking. This enumeration demonstrates that Autism is resilient to a simple medical definition because none of these manifestations is sufficient or necessary to diagnose Autism.

In the 1940s, researchers in the United States began to use the term “Autism” to describe children with emotional or social problems. Leo Kanner, a doctor from Johns Hopkins University, used it to describe the withdrawn behavior of several children he studied. His 1943 paper described 11 children who shared high intelligence, a profound preference for being alone and an “obsessive insistence on the preservation of sameness.” Kanner considered Autism a form of “childhood Schizophrenia.”

Around the same time, in 1944, Hans Asperger — an Austrian pediatrician — described four children in his practice who had difficulty in integrating themselves socially. Asperger identified in four boys a pattern of behavior and abilities that included “a lack of empathy, little ability to form friendships, one-sided conversations, intense absorption in a special interest, and clumsy movements”.

In spite of his unfortunate usage of the term “psychopathy”, Asperger passionately defended the value of Autistic individuals, writing :

“We are convinced, then, that Autistic people have their place in the organism of the social community. They fulfill their role well, perhaps better than anyone else could, and we are talking of people who as children had the greatest difficulties and caused untold worries to their care-givers.”

Asperger called these children “little professors” because of their ability to talk about their favorite subject in great detail. Asperger noticed that many of the children he identified as being Autistic used their special talents in adulthood and had successful careers. One of them became a professor of astronomy and solved an error in Newton’s work he had originally noticed as a student. Another one of Asperger’s patients was the Austrian writer and Nobel Prize in Literature laureate, Elfriede Jelinek.

Nevertheless, Asperger’s paper was published during wartime and in German, so it was not widely read elsewhere. For several decades, Kanner’s notion of as a form of “childhood Schizophrenia” persisted in academic literature, and psychoanalysts typically blamed emotionally emotionally distant mothering (known as the “refrigerator mom” theory of Autism). This theory is considered debunked by (almost?) all experts today.

In his 1961 work The Myth of Mental Illness, Thomas Szasz famously argued that what is commonly qualified as mental illness is merely a deviation from societal norms. Szasz argued that mental illness is a metaphor and not a genuine disease, that it is merely a way of dealing with problematic people in society. “Psychiatry is conventionally defined as a medical specialty concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of mental diseases,” he wrote. “I submit that this definition, which is still widely accepted, places psychiatry in the company of alchemy and astrology and commits it to the category of pseudoscience. The reason for this is that there is no such thing as ‘mental illness.’” By the late 1960s, he was perhaps the most famous psychiatrist in America. However, he was also the most despised among peers. This, and his theories being rooted in the discredited field of psychoanalysis, resulted in his work usually being either ignored or vehemently attacked.

In 1971, Israel Kolvin conducted seminal research that highlighted the distinction between Autism and Schizophrenia, which influenced the decision to include Autism and Schizophrenia as two separate categories in in the DSM-III. Still, most of Kanner’s description of Autism wasn’t challenged until Asperger’s research was referenced in a 1981 paper, Asperger’s syndrome: a clinical account, by English researcher Lorna Wing.

Objective criteria for diagnosing Autism soon followed, as did a clear separation from childhood schizophrenia, although it was not until 1991 that an authoritative translation of Asperger’s work was made (by developmental psychologist Uta Frith), which officially introduced Asperger’s work to the English speaking world. Following this publication, the early 1990’s marked the beginning of a gradual change of the perception of Autism towards a very diverse spectrum condition.

In 1997, Professor of developmental psychopathology Simon Baron-Cohen (a cousin of actor and comedian Sacha Baron Cohen) developed the empathising–systemising theory, which suggests that people may be classified on the basis of their scores along two dimensions: empathizing (E) and systemizing (S). Baron-Cohen suggested that the typical male brain is has a stronger affinity with systemising and the typical female brain has a stronger affinity with empathising.

Baron-Cohen further suggested that people with Autism show stronger affinity with systemizing over empathizing compared with their “Neurotypical” peers (irrespective of sex). This led to the conceptualisation of Autism as an “extreme of the typical male brain”. Later, in their 2008 study, Bernard Crespi and Christopher Badcock expanded upon Baron-Cohen’s theory and conceptualized Psychosis as an “extreme of the typical female brain” and the diametrical opposite of Autism.

Note that Psychosis being the “diametrical opposite of Autism” doesn’t mean that Autism and Psychosis are mutually exclusive. It merely means is that they are distinct and radically different brain strategies that are associated with respectively extreme Masculinity and extreme Femininity. While some individuals can be considered as purely Autistic or purely Psychotic, others experience symptoms of both Autism and Psychosis. Schizophrenia, Bi-Polar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder are typical examples where Autistic and Psychotic symptoms co-occur. The exact differences and similarities between these different “conditions” nevertheless remain very poorly understood.

By the late 1990s, online groups of Autistic persons started publicly defending the notion that that Autism is but a variation on the neurological norm and should be recognized and respected as a social category on a par with gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation. Since the beginning of the 21st century, this concept is now increasingly picked up by scientists as well, although it’s still considered controversial and thus far from universally accepted.

With recent works like Paris Williams’s 2012 publication Rethinking Madness and Wouter Kusters’s 2014 Philosophy of Madness, a similar paradigm shift has begun involving Psychosis — the “opposite” of Autism. ADHD has also been mentioned in this context, and the term neurodiversity has been coined in reference to a more general application of this concept, roughly echoing the ideas of Szasz many decades after they were first voiced.

Meanwhile, Olga Bogdashina’s little known 2003 publication is one of the first scholarly works to accurately describe Autism in all its diversity and accurately correlate Autistic behavior with corresponding emotions and cognitive styles. This work is the first of several to provide an in depth analysis of the many subtleties and nuances found in the language and perception of Autistic people.

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17 Apr 2016, 10:33 am

The author of the above article, John Slegers, is a programmer and website developer. He is neither a sociologist nor a psychologist. He does, however, have a firm grasp on historical events.



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17 Apr 2016, 10:51 am

Fnord wrote:
The author of the above article, John Slegers, is a programmer and website developer. He is neither a sociologist nor a psychologist.


So?! Why does that matter at all?!?! Why would being a programmer and website developer rather than a sociologist nor a psychologist disqualify someone from being an expert in the field of Autism?

Unlike the author of that article, most so-called "Autism experts" I've met know little to nothing about the underlying cognitive patterns in Autism.

Some words of wisdom by one of my favorite philosophers :





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17 Apr 2016, 11:04 am

This is a bad article, I get the point of trying to boost your self-esteem and to make yourself feel like a special snowflake but Autism in my experience is definitely a "disorder" and in my opinion a disability. It's not just "different" if we're not being adequately being accommodated and are stuck in isolation. I don't have any super special aspie savant skills.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:08 am

Jacoby wrote:
It's not just "different" if we're not being adequately being accommodated and are stuck in isolation.


We live in a society designed by and for Neurotypicals.
One might argue as well that Neurotypicals are disabled because they're ill-suited for a society designed by and for Autistic people.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:13 am

I get so tired of these autism is not a disorder stuff. If it's not a disorder, then by medical definition you do not have it. Being socially awkward and having strong interests does not make you autistic unless it causes you a significant impairment in social and occupational functioning. If not, then you do not have it. I think they have stretched the spectrum to much now people who are social awkward or have to work harder at it are being labeled as being autistic when twenty years ago or thirty years ago they would just be socially awkward and odd. There, I said it.


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17 Apr 2016, 11:20 am

Autism is a disorder. Not everyone with autism has super savant talents. Autism can cause problems in socialization, stress management, sensory overload--and this would be true even in an all-autistic society.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:21 am

League_Girl wrote:
I get so tired of these autism is not a disorder stuff. If it's not a disorder, then by medical definition you do not have it. Being socially awkward and having strong interests does not make you autistic unless it causes you a significant impairment in social and occupational functioning. If not, then you do not have it.

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Autism is a disorder. Not everyone with autism has super savant talents. Autism can cause problems in socialization, stress management, sensory overload--and this would be true even in an all-autistic society.


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League_Girl wrote:
I think they have stretched the spectrum to much now people who are social awkward or have to work harder at it are being labeled as being autistic when twenty years ago or thirty years ago they would just be socially awkward and odd. There, I said it.


DNA research suggests there are literally hundreds of kinds of Autism.

Some are debilitating, some only in some cases and others not at all.

There, I said it!



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17 Apr 2016, 11:25 am

aspiesavant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's not just "different" if we're not being adequately being accommodated and are stuck in isolation.


We live in a society designed by and for Neurotypicals.
One might argue as well that Neurotypicals are disabled because they're ill-suited for a society designed by and for Autistic people.

While I agree on the premise, the fact is that society is not going to change to accept alternate psychologies. Society views autism as a "weakness", and being animals the humans that make up society have a strong desire to crush "weakness" not help it. It doesn't matter whether autism is right or wrong, evolution, de-evolution, weak, or strong, etc. All that matters is what society believes it is: society has the power, not the individual, nor a small group such as autistics. One would be better off spending their time finding ways to adapt to society in manners they can handle than fantasizing about a pipe dream that will never be allowed to happen.

I mean let's say we made our own country, Autisticstan, and it was actually successful. We wouldn't last because now that we have something of value, some other country will come in an just take it. All the citizens of Autisticstan would howl and complain: why would they do that, it makes no sense, we could have just traded with them, yada yada yada...That's because autistics don't realize, NT's are no different than the animals you see in nature-- they too have a strong desire to control everything they see and attack anything that's not them. It's illogical and many times counter-productive, but if there's one thing I've learned with my time on Earth it's this: human instinct will overrule logic the vast majority of the time.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:31 am

I think insisting that autism is not a disorder can actually be dismissive of those who are genuinely debilitated by their autism.

Aristophanes wrote:
That's because autistics don't realize, NT's are no different than the animals you see in nature-- they too have a strong desire to control everything they see and attack anything that's not them.

Let's not make generalizations about NTs.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:33 am

Aristophanes wrote:
While I agree on the premise, the fact is that society is not going to change to accept alternate psychologies. Society views autism as a "weakness", and being animals the humans that make up society have a strong desire to crush "weakness" not help it.


"Society" used to consider homosexuality a mental disorder.
"Society" used to consider transgenderism a mental disorder.

In mainstream literature, both are now considered parts of normal human biodiversity. So why wouldn't the same thing be possible for the perception of Autism?

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All that matters is what society believes it is: society has the power, not the individual, nor a small group such as autistics. One would be better off spending their time finding ways to adapt to society in manners they can handle than fantasizing about a pipe dream that will never be allowed to happen.


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NT's are no different than the animals you see in nature-- they too have a strong desire to control everything they see and attack anything that's not them. It's illogical and many times counter-productive, but if there's one thing I've learned with my time on Earth it's this: human instinct will overrule logic the vast majority of the time.


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17 Apr 2016, 11:34 am

TheAP wrote:
I think insisting that autism is not a disorder can actually be dismissive of those who are genuinely debilitated by their autism.

Aristophanes wrote:
That's because autistics don't realize, NT's are no different than the animals you see in nature-- they too have a strong desire to control everything they see and attack anything that's not them.

Let's not make generalizations about NTs.

Who's making generalizations? --I just watch the news.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:35 am

But not all NTs are like that.



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17 Apr 2016, 11:37 am

TheAP wrote:
But not all NTs are like that.


These are two of my favorite quotes, that perfectly describe what most NT people are like :

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17 Apr 2016, 11:56 am

aspiesavant wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
While I agree on the premise, the fact is that society is not going to change to accept alternate psychologies. Society views autism as a "weakness", and being animals the humans that make up society have a strong desire to crush "weakness" not help it.


"Society" used to consider homosexuality a mental disorder.
"Society" used to consider transgenderism a mental disorder.

In mainstream literature, both are now considered parts of normal human biodiversity. So why wouldn't the same thing be possible for the perception of Autism?

LGBT is the umbrella of both groups you mention. That group has between 8-13% of the overall U.S. population (if you're in another country, can't help you because I don't know, but I'd assume it's about the same). That is a strong minority. Autistics are <2% of the population, we don't have the numbers, thus we don't have the power to effectively argue for change. We can scream and shout all we want, but we're so small nobody is forced to listen and thus they don't care-- just like a child complaining, the child has no power so the adult just ignores him/her, or even punishes the child since the adult has power and plain doesn't want to deal with the child.

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Nietzsche is correct. Unfortunately that never changes, even when one points it out. That's because humans don't care a damn about "truth", they care about power: thus power will overrule truth every single time.

aspiesavant wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
All that matters is what society believes it is: society has the power, not the individual, nor a small group such as autistics. One would be better off spending their time finding ways to adapt to society in manners they can handle than fantasizing about a pipe dream that will never be allowed to happen.


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Again, Mead represented the women's right movement...the "small group of thoughtful, committed citizens" she's talking about are literally over half the population. When half the population starts complaining you better believe the leaders listen-- last thing they want is for the pitchforks to come out.

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Aristophanes wrote:
NT's are no different than the animals you see in nature-- they too have a strong desire to control everything they see and attack anything that's not them. It's illogical and many times counter-productive, but if there's one thing I've learned with my time on Earth it's this: human instinct will overrule logic the vast majority of the time.


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Nice sentiment, but also untrue. The message of inclusion and morality (the glue of society) has been around since the start of civilization and yet the message is consistently suffocated by a message of personal interest and greed (human instinct). If you're trying to move people from their instincts to something logical and productive the charade tends to only last a short time before old behaviors crop back up. Augustus Caesar's reign is a prime example of this: through pure power Augustus established a strong moral code in Rome that actually worked...until he died and the power wasn't there to keep s**t up to shoe level thus it all fell into the decaying Rome we know today.

Power is the only thing that matters, all other things are merely tools to acquire power or tools to defend it-- that's not just limited to weapons, it includes ideologies, academics, literally everything.



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17 Apr 2016, 12:56 pm

I definitely support autism being considered a disorder.

Someone brought up how being LGBT was once considered a disorder, but do those people need special accommodations or anything? Other then the occasional moral dilemma of which bathroom to use, no. They are not disabled in any way, they just have weird stuff going on with their sexual preferences and identities.

On the other hand, I can't do a lot of things that others can and I need to have special acomidations in school because my autism hinders a lot of things. I don't think that a society run by autistic people like that hypothetical one would even function. I do have some good traits like a great memory for photos and concepts, a vivid and detailed imagination, and obsessiveness; but I have many impairments like executive functioning problems, sensory problems, difficulty with language processing, difficulty connecting with people, anxiety problems, difficulty with socializing, and other things. The list of things I have difficulty with is definitely longer.

A disorder is defined as a significant deviation from normal, and that definitely describes autism. A disability is defined as a medically diagnosed condition that makes it difficult to engage in activities of daily life, which also also sounds a lot like autism to me.

I'm not saying that autism should be eradicated as many of us contribute a lot to society, but many of us have special needs that would be harder to obtain if autism weren't considered a disorder or a disability and there are a lot of things that we struggle with that are easy for neurotipicals.


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