Challenging Marginalization
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androbot01
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Individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), including those who otherwise require less support, face severe difficulties in everyday social interactions. Research in this area has primarily focused on identifying the cognitive and neurological differences that contribute to these social impairments, but social interaction by definition involves more than one person and social difficulties may arise not just from people with ASD themselves, but also from the perceptions, judgments, and social decisions made by those around them. Here, across three studies, we find that first impressions of individuals with ASD made from thin slices of real-world social behavior by typically-developing observers are not only far less favorable across a range of trait judgments compared to controls, but also are associated with reduced intentions to pursue social interaction. These patterns are remarkably robust, occur within seconds, do not change with increased exposure, and persist across both child and adult age groups. However, these biases disappear when impressions are based on conversational content lacking audio-visual cues, suggesting that style, not substance, drives negative impressions of ASD. Collectively, these findings advocate for a broader perspective of social difficulties in ASD that considers both the individual’s impairments and the biases of potential social partners.
Individuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), including those who otherwise require less support, face severe difficulties in everyday social interactions. Research in this area has primarily focused on identifying the cognitive and neurological differences that contribute to these social impairments, but social interaction by definition involves more than one person and social difficulties may arise not just from people with ASD themselves, but also from the perceptions, judgments, and social decisions made by those around them. Here, across three studies, we find that first impressions of individuals with ASD made from thin slices of real-world social behavior by typically-developing observers are not only far less favorable across a range of trait judgments compared to controls, but also are associated with reduced intentions to pursue social interaction. These patterns are remarkably robust, occur within seconds, do not change with increased exposure, and persist across both child and adult age groups. However, these biases disappear when impressions are based on conversational content lacking audio-visual cues, suggesting that style, not substance, drives negative impressions of ASD. Collectively, these findings advocate for a broader perspective of social difficulties in ASD that considers both the individual’s impairments and the biases of potential social partners.
I think "neurotypicals" became dominant because of their focus on collectivization. People with autism and other disorders are discounted based on superficial social cues. Instead of trying to understand and relate to people who don't fit their norm, the dominant group has assumed us to be of no use. With continual re-enforcement over generations, marginalizing people with social disorders has become the norm, to the extent that to challenge the social norms of the dominant group is tantamount to insurrection. The only way they can see us fitting in, is to train us with ABA so that we can at least pass as "acceptable."
androbot01 wrote:
I think "neurotypicals" became dominant because of their focus on collectivization.
Or because:1) There's more of them
2) They are better at talking to others/the opposite sex
3) #2 = greater chance of procreation
I think we autistics need to start being more honest with ourselves. We're crap at communicating, and most wouldn't know what to do with the opposite sex even if given a bloody manual.
sonicallysensitive wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I think "neurotypicals" became dominant because of their focus on collectivization.
Or because:1) There's more of them
2) They are better at talking to others/the opposite sex
3) #2 = greater chance of procreation
I think we autistics need to start being more honest with ourselves. We're crap at communicating, and most wouldn't know what to do with the opposite sex even if given a bloody manual.
The organization of society has an effect on peoples lives beyond the abilities of individuals themselves.
Having more people in a group does not necessarily make it socially dominate. There are more poor people than billionaires in the world, yet the billionaires usually have more power.
The skills and practices involved in communication are in part effected by and vary based on the details of a culture. Communication is not the only relevant factor in attracting mates, and among those factors are ones which vary depending on the structure of society. The relevance of certain conversational abilities in attracting mates can vary heavily based on other factors. If you lived in a society with arranged marriage, one's ability to communicate with the opposite sex would be largely irrelevant, whereas the ability to attract family status would be more important. The point being, is that the ability of us to find partners is not entirely dependent on our own abilities.
But furthermore, the amount of reproduction that a group has does not necessarily equate to the amount of power in society. For instance, in apartheid South Africa, black Africans had most of the population and reproduction, yet the society was dominated by white Africans.
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I'm not sure how this post turned into a discussion about dating. That wasn't my intention; I was more getting at the way things are now then the way they might be future generations from now. But whatever, I'm easy.
I am wondering if you guys are suggesting that autistic people need to increase their numbers by having tonnes of children. Is this the case? If so, I'm not sure it's the right strategy. I don't really see it as a numbers game, but rather one of integration.
androbot01 wrote:
I'm not sure how this post turned into a discussion about dating. That wasn't my intention; I was more getting at the way things are now then the way they might be future generations from now. But whatever, I'm easy.
I am wondering if you guys are suggesting that autistic people need to increase their numbers by having tonnes of children. Is this the case? If so, I'm not sure it's the right strategy. I don't really see it as a numbers game, but rather one of integration.
I am wondering if you guys are suggesting that autistic people need to increase their numbers by having tonnes of children. Is this the case? If so, I'm not sure it's the right strategy. I don't really see it as a numbers game, but rather one of integration.
I would agree its a matter of integration. The key thing is to reform society to make it so that it is fairer and works for people more universally, rather than having a society which by and large sets itself in favor of doxists.