13 year old lobbies Congress to pass anti seclusion laws

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26 Nov 2018, 1:18 am

13-year-old with autism urges lawmakers to pass legislation ending 'seclusion rooms' in schools

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Alex Campbell visited Capitol Hill last week to speak with lawmakers, staff and others in support of the Keeping All Students Safe act.

Campbell told NBC News that as a student with autism spectrum disorder, he was taken to his elementary school’s “crisis room,” a converted storage closet with one small window, over half a dozen times.

"When I asked for help or asked if anyone was still there, nobody would answer," he said. "I felt alone. I felt scared."

Alex’s school reportedly never notified his parents about the “crisis room,” and urged Alex to keep it a secret.

The proposed legislation, introduced by Democratic Reps. Bobby Scott (Va.) and Don Beyer (Va.), would ban seclusion and limit the use of physical restraints on students to emergencies.

Public school districts nationwide reported restraining or secluding over 120,000 students in the 2015-16 school year, according to federal data cited by NBC News.

Lawmakers have been attempting to pass versions of such legislation for years, but have run into opposition from school superintendents and other officials who have said that such regulation should occur at the local level.


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23 Feb 2019, 5:50 pm

That must be a good thing.



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23 Feb 2019, 6:16 pm

If I have a meltdown, I usually go to a quiet place to calm down. However, going there is entirely voluntary (I must choose to do it) and no physical force is used getting me there.

Why an autistic person would be forced into a seclusion room against their own will is beyond me. But then again, I'm in high school.


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23 Feb 2019, 6:32 pm

So what forms of discipline can schools use? This is quite ridiculous, not that any policymakers should be listening to a child, anyway. Besides, even if such a policy were sensible, it's a state rather than a federal matter.



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24 Feb 2019, 9:28 am

They still do "crisis" rooms???



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24 Feb 2019, 9:56 am

Prometheus18 wrote:
So what forms of discipline can schools use? This is quite ridiculous, not that any policymakers should be listening to a child, anyway. Besides, even if such a policy were sensible, it's a state rather than a federal matter.


I disagree with that. Children can tell us about their experiences and their perspective, a view of the world we may have forgotten as adults.

It can help us as adults to take children's needs into account in our decision making.

And I don't think this is discipline, it's shoving a kid in closet because you don't have the time or resources or patience to deal with them.



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24 Feb 2019, 11:35 am

Somehow I don't think "discipline" is a useful technique for controlling, preventing or ameliorating autistic meltdowns. Locking children (or adults) alone in a room is abuse. Not sure why abuse of autistic children would be a states' rights issue. Or even child abuse in general. Can you imagine a politician running on a platform of states' rights to abuse children? :D


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24 Feb 2019, 11:54 am

We're kidding ourselves if we think all misbehaviour, on the part of autistic people must be part of a "meltdown". Some is simple, wilful misbehaviour and nothing else - I know this from personal experience. By refusing to lay down any rules on some wishy-washy 1920s idea that all children's misbehaviour is the fault of "society" or other extraneous factors, we harm the child more than anyone else, who grows up in a state of anomie.

Again, you can redefine the word "abuse" to include all forms of discipline, but in doing so you don't remove the need for discipline in creating a functional, well-balanced adult.



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24 Feb 2019, 9:11 pm

Prometheus18 wrote:
We're kidding ourselves if we think all misbehaviour, on the part of autistic people must be part of a "meltdown". Some is simple, wilful misbehaviour and nothing else - I know this from personal experience. By refusing to lay down any rules on some wishy-washy 1920s idea that all children's misbehaviour is the fault of "society" or other extraneous factors, we harm the child more than anyone else, who grows up in a state of anomie.

Again, you can redefine the word "abuse" to include all forms of discipline, but in doing so you don't remove the need for discipline in creating a functional, well-balanced adult.


I thought in this specific case the behavior was identified as a meltdown. Of course autists can misbehave just like other children. No one said they couldn't misbehave.

I do not call all discipline abuse. That said, locking someone up in a room alone is abuse. And that is what this thread is about. Not discipline in general.


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24 Feb 2019, 10:04 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
We're kidding ourselves if we think all misbehaviour, on the part of autistic people must be part of a "meltdown". Some is simple, wilful misbehaviour and nothing else - I know this from personal experience. By refusing to lay down any rules on some wishy-washy 1920s idea that all children's misbehaviour is the fault of "society" or other extraneous factors, we harm the child more than anyone else, who grows up in a state of anomie.

Again, you can redefine the word "abuse" to include all forms of discipline, but in doing so you don't remove the need for discipline in creating a functional, well-balanced adult.


I thought in this specific case the behavior was identified as a meltdown. Of course autists can misbehave just like other children. No one said they couldn't misbehave.

I do not call all discipline abuse. That said, locking someone up in a room alone is abuse. And that is what this thread is about. Not discipline in general.


Even if it was misbehaviour and not a meltdown, the solution is never to LOCK A CHILD IN A CLOSET. WTF Prometheus?? Can you really not recognize that as abusive? I want to say "Who hurt you?" but that's become so memeified. Nonetheless... Who made you think it's "discipline" to lock children in closets when they "misbehave"? I mean, this is literally treating children like inmates in a prison, who are punished by being secluded and thrown in "the hole". Seriously dude, I think you need to reexamine some of your beliefs, especially if you ever hope to have kids of your own some day.



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24 Feb 2019, 11:03 pm

In the private special needs schools I attended kids who got out of control got sent 3 different places. The nurses office, detention, home.

If it a legitimate meltdown usually it was the nurses office. There was a room in there with a bed and the room would be dimmed, if the student needed/wanted to retreat for a while. But there was always a nuse present and the student could open the door and come out.

Students who were plain misbehaving were put in detention which was simply a classroom with a teacher present.

And sometimes a student's parent would take them home for the day depending on the situation.

But throwing a student into what amounts to a solitary confinement cell is out of the question.



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25 Feb 2019, 3:21 am

What is grounding but "locking a child in a room". This is a perfectly legitimate and humane punishment to which I and every other child I grew up with was subject.



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25 Feb 2019, 5:05 am

I'd say a child being sent to their own room with a parent on hand and being locked in a closet away from home and left alone is a false equivalent.



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25 Feb 2019, 10:03 am

EzraS wrote:
I'd say a child being sent to their own room with a parent on hand and being locked in a closet away from home and left alone is a false equivalent.


OMG Ezra I actually agree with you on something! :) It is indeed a false equivalence.



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25 Feb 2019, 10:13 am

green0star wrote:
They still do "crisis" rooms???
We called it "The Pit" back in '65.



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25 Feb 2019, 11:51 am

Prometheus18 wrote:
What is grounding but "locking a child in a room". This is a perfectly legitimate and humane punishment to which I and every other child I grew up with was subject.



I've never known or heard any parent that has locked their kid in their room unless that kid was a danger to others or to themselves where they wandered out of the house at night. I used to just hold the door closed whenever I would put my son in his room because he wouldn't stay in there and he was in time out. We would basically be playing tug o war with the door lol. He would eventually give up. Now he stays in there and comes out whenever and he is all calm by then and done with his behavior.

Of course abusers who lock kids in a room, it's usually a dark room like a basement or closet or some crawlspace. Not their bedroom.


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