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25 Nov 2008, 8:43 am

Maybe I have an idealised view of Scandinavia (and Continental Europe in general). Don't know, I've spent my entire life on the bottom of the world. Speaking of Scandinavia, with Iceland's economy facing decimation (literally), could there be an influx of Icelanders to Sweden? They have right of abode there, if I'm correct?

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25 Nov 2008, 12:12 pm

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Not to be a prick, but you kind of twisted the topic to your specifications. I asked how would aspies appeal in other cultures, not which people should live where.

Personally, I believe that America and the Britain is the worst place for aspies (UK is better but not by much, possibly Latin America next. Latin America is a strict social hierarchy and even if usted pueda a hablar espanol, people will think tu eres loco (I get that a lot, by people from that part of the world. it's a shame, there's a lot of wonderful girls from there......).

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25 Nov 2008, 5:22 pm

I'll shut my f***ing mouth, then.

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25 Nov 2008, 5:49 pm

Hey not what I intended! Sorry!

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27 Nov 2008, 3:19 am

Bozewani wrote:

I was wondering about this lately. Are there some cultures where Aspergians would fit in better then others?

I am talking about different countries and different social conventions/hierarchies. I always thought that I personally would fit in an Eastern culture more then a Western culture. For example, I found out recently, in Singaporean culture, small talk is discounted, for direct business conversation and in Japan, it is your innovation in the workplace which counts more then your social skills.

In South African culture, people go out of their way to respect different people(legacy of apartheid), and are very accepting of each other and very protective of individual rights. Also, intelligence and rationalization and cool-headness is valued here.

In Malawian culture, it is intelligence and innovation which helps.

Of course, one might debate if South Africa is a western or eastern culture, but it's probably more eastern in my opinion.

Anyway, what is your opinion of this?

I have read numerous articles and stories where whites are murdered on a daily basis in South Africa and have their land taken because they are white.

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17 Nov 2018, 8:09 pm

Blueice wrote:

Bozewani wrote:

I was wondering about this lately. Are there some cultures where Aspergians would fit in better then others?

I am talking about different countries and different social conventions/hierarchies. I always thought that I personally would fit in an Eastern culture more then a Western culture. For example, I found out recently, in Singaporean culture, small talk is discounted, for direct business conversation and in Japan, it is your innovation in the workplace which counts more then your social skills.

In South African culture, people go out of their way to respect different people(legacy of apartheid), and are very accepting of each other and very protective of individual rights. Also, intelligence and rationalization and cool-headness is valued here.

In Malawian culture, it is intelligence and innovation which helps.
Of course, one might debate if South Africa is a western or eastern culture, but it's probably more eastern in my opinion.

Anyway, what is your opinion of this?

I have read numerous articles and stories where whites are murdered on a daily basis in South Africa and have their land taken because they are white.

I don't think aspies can successfully pass in their native culture, regardless of what that culture is. But I often wonder if ex-patriots would fare better, since they can easily blame their social ineptness on unfamiliarity with the local culture. My Libyan sister pointed out to me once that my mom and I were often given slack for being foreign.

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18 Nov 2018, 8:48 am

I cannot judge whether or not my country is ideal for aspies, just because I landed on the more ideal sides of my country's culture and happened to suit me better than most places.
Born in an open city, has relatives from other regions, end up with a more lenient household and more accepting side of culture. Got away with many things. :lol:

If I try to explain my country's culture/s pros and cons for an aspie, it'll be complicated. There are dimensions to take account -- from the location itself, the region, to the circles and households.
Then there's what this individual aspie would like.
Some contexts may not even make sense to foreigners. Some would be where the good parts mistaken for bad, and the bad ones mistaken for good.

If I skim through and make an aspie do their own research, the verdict would likely be "very unfavorable". :lol:

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02 Jul 2019, 4:04 pm

Bozewani wrote:

BPalmer wrote:

From my experience, America is magnitudes better than China for aspies.

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06 Jul 2019, 12:11 am

blackomen wrote:

Bozewani wrote:

BPalmer wrote:

From my experience, America is magnitudes better than China for aspies.

I have been to China, and can also attest to this. Anything mental health is seen as a major taboo over there.

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06 Jul 2019, 12:34 am

Bozewani wrote:

I am talking about different countries and different social conventions/hierarchies. I always thought that I personally would fit in an Eastern culture more then a Western culture. For example, I found out recently, in Singaporean culture, small talk is discounted, for direct business conversation and in Japan, it is your innovation in the workplace which counts more then your social skills.

In South African culture, people go out of their way to respect different people(legacy of apartheid), and are very accepting of each other and very protective of individual rights. Also, intelligence and rationalization and cool-headness is valued here.
In Malawian culture, it is intelligence and innovation which helps.
Of course, one might debate if South Africa is a western or eastern culture, but it's probably more eastern in my opinion.
Anyway, what is your opinion of this?

In general collectivist cultures all over the world treat Aspergers as social outcasts. It of course varies from culture to culture but there is a tendency to hide or lock up children who are different in collectivist societies. The Japanese refer to this as "knocking in the nail that sticks out".

Western countries may not treat autism with respect but there isn't the shame associated with ASD as there is collectivist countries.

BTW Africa is not a paradise for disability, my uncle lives in South Africa and he says terrible things are done to young people with disability, particular skin afflictions or albinism.

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06 Jul 2019, 10:39 am

cyberdad wrote:

Bozewani wrote:

A lot of collectivist cultures like Scandinavia and even Japan don't seem to stigmatize AS as much as China. Japan has Hikkikomori culture and while Hikkikomoris are somewhat outcasts, they also seem to be somewhat accepted as being part of their culture these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

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06 Jul 2019, 5:37 pm

This is a really interesting topic. I live in the middle east and while there is no real social services and mental health is grossly stigmatized, people in general are protective of people they deem weaker in any way. I've never been bullied at school and even when i was a very shy and withdrawn 7 yo, people mostly treated me kindly and sort of "guided" me socially. I have to say some bullying stories i've heard from autistic people on the internet really horrified me.

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06 Jul 2019, 6:16 pm

One thing I'd like to clarify about China: people could care less if you have AS if you took advantage of that aspect of your personality and used it to do really well in school. Unlike the US and most western countries, China worships nerds who got excellent grades in school and people like this are literally worshipped by the society.

Keep in mind it's much more difficult to get into a good college in China, they have a system of college entrance exams that are infamously difficult:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nat ... xamination

Even if you're an aspie, you can enjoy a high level of social acceptance in China if you got top marks on such an exam and get into the best universities in the school while in the US, ppl will still put you down for being a weirdo even if you get a PhD from MIT or Stanford.

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06 Jul 2019, 8:03 pm

blackomen wrote:

Hikikomori is an extreme form of social anxiety caused by social stigma for being perceived as different. Japanese are "uber-collectivist"

Scandanavians are individualistic....

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06 Jul 2019, 10:31 pm

cyberdad wrote:

blackomen wrote:

Hikikomori is an extreme form of social anxiety caused by social stigma for being perceived as different. Japanese are "uber-collectivist"

Scandanavians are individualistic....

You might want to edit this wiki. Neither you nor they can both be correct

https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Colle ... t_cultures

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06 Jul 2019, 11:15 pm

On the Hofstede scale Scandanavians fall into the western European individualistic culture but countries in this region have socially engineered public policy that favours collectivist cultural values and socialist policy. The latter explains why some of these countries fall into that list you posted.

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