why do people use autism as an insult, what do you think

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19 Apr 2023, 5:28 am

Pondering this after I uploaded some art for autism acceptance month on deviantart and received a hate comment. I'm not upset about it, just curious what these people think is so insulting about being autistic.

I suppose my best guess is that it's rooted in an ableist belief that people's value lies in their intellectual ability..... which, autism doesn't necessarily mean intellectually challenged. Regardless tho, it's a gross attitude to take.


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19 Apr 2023, 11:30 am

I'd mock a person who tried to use autism as an insult.


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19 Apr 2023, 11:55 am

I think they CAN'T unless you let them. "Autistic" isn't a dirty word. Don't let it affect you as though it is.



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19 Apr 2023, 12:04 pm

They do not care what word they use, they just want to insult people. They will use the first word that pops in their head. Autism is in the news a lot so that word pops in their heads.


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19 Apr 2023, 3:50 pm

I mean if anything I'm mainly just annoyed that they were accusing me of being a zoophile just because I like talking animals and use them in my art. I find the use of autism as an insult to be more perplexing than upsetting.


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19 Apr 2023, 5:32 pm

In context, any word can be an insult.
Just watch the tone and structure of the sentences.

Where it came from, came from the association with intellectual disabilities.
And intellectual disabilities, in history, had a lot of slurs back when eugenics are popular.


People should wake up to the giant and subtle 'productivity machine' and 'standards' that the previous generation created, yet that had gone out of control today.
With their descendants as it's fuel. :|

One cannot be it's 'efficient fuel' for not 'keeping up' the privilege of keeping a competitive job...
"Autistics" are one of them -- unless you're the uncommon type without executive dysfunctions.


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19 Apr 2023, 9:40 pm

The root of using autism as an insult is they're saying some people are worth more than others to them. Why might they view people with autism as worth less? If someone has difficulty, they don't want to help. They want to ignore the need, possibly because they're low on resources themselves and don't want to admit it, possibly because they're greedy, possibly because they're traumatized by not getting the help they needed.

Type 1 and 2 autism triggers a reaction in people because there's a violation in norms. The person seems "normal" on the surface but then there are differences that they didn't account for. People don't get why I understand rocket equations but can't spell or handwrite clearly. I'm generally stoic because I mask and if I let that mask drop because of a meltdown I'm suddenly crazy. It's a situation they're not prepared for and it makes them fearful and angry. Some people's reaction is to degrade others in response to making them uncomfortable.

Type 3 autism insults are just cruelty. It's a flat out evaluation that someone has no intrinsic value.

Not saying any of that is right, just that's the chain of thought that seems to go on.



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20 Apr 2023, 12:05 am

I think it's because we're socially delayed, which means we likely aren't popular. If we aren't popular we have nothing to offer them in terms of social advantage, so we're discardable. They'll insult us to prove they're nothing like us. They're popular, and we're not.


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20 Apr 2023, 12:22 am

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To give gay ppl a break? :scratch:

I played multiplayer gaming for close to 30 years.
The gaming community is infested by feral young boys/men.
Back when I started, the biggest insult you could make was saying someone is gay.
"Autistic" is the new "gay" insult.

Thankfully I never play multiplayer any longer because of the infestation of hackers.
(It is estimated that one in three players hack now.)
I suspect it is testosterone that may be a major contributor to poor behaviour, btw.



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20 Apr 2023, 2:53 am

Years ago few people heard of autism it was something possibly related to vaccines was the common ordinary view 15-30 years ago.

Even if they knew this they didn’t really know much more about it.

Now autism is everywhere everyone knows about it and most know it’s a problem that is related to low IQ (some of us) or at least cause people to have problems with social interaction.

So this is an open door for anyone wanting to insult someone by calling them autistic rather than ret*d or if they do something socially unacceptable they are “acting autistic”.

The larger problem is the school shooters who many either are autistic or at least can be claimed to have some autistic like behavior (Loners, few friends etc)

We don’t want to be associated with that because all sorts of bad discrimination will likely occur worse than in the Muslim community after 911


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20 Apr 2023, 1:39 pm

carlos55 wrote:
So this is an open door for anyone wanting to insult someone by calling them autistic rather than ret*d or if they do something socially unacceptable they are “acting autistic”.

The larger problem is the school shooters who many either are autistic or at least can be claimed to have some autistic like behavior (Loners, few friends etc)

We don’t want to be associated with that because all sorts of bad discrimination will likely occur worse than in the Muslim community after 911

I have to admit every time there is some sort of random mass shooting, the first thing I look for is the suspect autistic.

Even before I was diagnosed and knew anything about autism I was worried because I fit that "loner/few friends" profile. "Beware of the quiet ones" is an old saying.


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20 Apr 2023, 5:44 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
So this is an open door for anyone wanting to insult someone by calling them autistic rather than ret*d or if they do something socially unacceptable they are “acting autistic”.

The larger problem is the school shooters who many either are autistic or at least can be claimed to have some autistic like behavior (Loners, few friends etc)

We don’t want to be associated with that because all sorts of bad discrimination will likely occur worse than in the Muslim community after 911

I have to admit every time there is some sort of random mass shooting, the first thing I look for is the suspect autistic.

Even before I was diagnosed and knew anything about autism I was worried because I fit that "loner/few friends" profile. "Beware of the quiet ones" is an old saying.

"Things that doesn't exist from where I came from 101". :mrgreen:

As a foreigner who never been to the states or anywhere in the west;
First thought about school shooters was that 'oh, kids like guns and stuff, and are stupid enough to enact whatever sick revenge fantasies in their head'.
Kinda like serial killers except those are adults who do the same and commit stuff subtly.

Yes, I do view such individuals like how I view preschoolers who likes to play games with only their ever changing rules in their favor and never loses.

Now everytime I heard about mass shooting from abroad, in which the same reasoning doesn't apply from where I came from; first thing I thought are usually someone in antidepressants (a rarity here) gone wrong, likely while in puberty or was held back by school, are likely pulled by some particular toxic communities online (less common here as online communities here, toxic or not, has a form of cohesion and more removed from IRL counterpart), and are socially starved "individualists" (even less common here).

Individualists who are not meant to be individualists. :| In an individualistic society (in which where I'm isn't). It's rather sad.


While some though rare school shootings exists here...

This idea of "Autistics are mass shooters" doesn't exists from where I came from.
Unless they're from the states themselves or dabbled in the news a bit deeply, and then brought the whole thing in their heads.

I myself had only learned this concept only few years ago and through this very forum.


Hopefully the noise out there it doesn't create a problem that doesn't exists here like some ideas carried over, eh?


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21 Apr 2023, 6:24 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
So this is an open door for anyone wanting to insult someone by calling them autistic rather than ret*d or if they do something socially unacceptable they are “acting autistic”.

The larger problem is the school shooters who many either are autistic or at least can be claimed to have some autistic like behavior (Loners, few friends etc)

We don’t want to be associated with that because all sorts of bad discrimination will likely occur worse than in the Muslim community after 911

I have to admit every time there is some sort of random mass shooting, the first thing I look for is the suspect autistic.

Even before I was diagnosed and knew anything about autism I was worried because I fit that "loner/few friends" profile. "Beware of the quiet ones" is an old saying.


Autistic men make the best Manchurian Candidates. 8)



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21 Apr 2023, 6:53 am

It will only take a neurological research finding to find a biological signature link between a form of autism and those that commit these mass shootings, for us to be in a world of problems.

Let’s face it most while not always diagnosed certainly fit the social behavior criteria.


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21 Apr 2023, 9:30 am

carlos55 wrote:
It will only take a neurological research finding to find a biological signature link between a form of autism and those that commit these mass shootings, for us to be in a world of problems.

Let’s face it most while not always diagnosed certainly fit the social behavior criteria.

That would be bad but I don’t think that is going to happen. The combination of failure in life, discrimination, bullying are plenty reasons for revenge motive or just causing people to snap. Add with plenty of precedent we got what we got. The difference between most of us who don’t commit mass shootings and those who do is probably a comorbid mental illness not “mass shooter autism”.

I don’t know if it matters though, stigmas do not need scientific validation to be created. So far the autism community has held a lot of it at bay. I do not know how how long we can hold off people making and acting upon the perceived autism causation mass shootings.


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21 Apr 2023, 11:03 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
It will only take a neurological research finding to find a biological signature link between a form of autism and those that commit these mass shootings, for us to be in a world of problems.

Let’s face it most while not always diagnosed certainly fit the social behavior criteria.

That would be bad but I don’t think that is going to happen. The combination of failure in life, discrimination, bullying are plenty reasons for revenge motive or just causing people to snap. Add with plenty of precedent we got what we got. The difference between most of us who don’t commit mass shootings and those who do is probably a comorbid mental illness not “mass shooter autism”.

I don’t know if it matters though, stigmas do not need scientific validation to be created. So far the autism community has held a lot of it at bay. I do not know how how long we can hold off people making and acting upon the perceived autism causation mass shootings.


Unfortunately facts are not always needed to make a crude link in public perception.

Like I said all Muslims were potential terrorists after 911 to a large number of people

Can see risk of similar parallels for autistic people and these mass shootings


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