Young, Violent and Dangerous to Know - AS as cause of crime?

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Except they're not charming enough to pull it off! Unless they're rich like Bill Gates. But seriously, serial killers are usually quite charming and able to manipulate situations to their purpose, hardly ASD material.

Thats simply odd and serves only to stigmatize a disabled population to prevent their inclusion and promote institutionalism for the protection of so called normal people.

Someone else said someone believed in conspiracy I was part of in a post just a few minutes ago then say I am one whom believes in them in this post. Additionally you have a track record of being very negative and non-constructive in my other posts with me and are fairly unfriendly. Do you have anything nice to say other then calling me Dude?

Effectively stigmatizing a group of people in these like matters is just asking for reproach especially when having to do indirectly and or directly with criminology. It was a comment I made simply to deflect the stigma. Some conspiracy is it not? This topic also has nothing to do or little to do with pride politics just social justice.

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Nathan Young

Nice touch how he dragged out the antiquated term "autistic psychopathy," since, you know, it sounds all scarier and stuff than "autism" or AS.

I'd bet most serial killers aren't diagnosed with anything. Unfortunately, "normal disorder" isn't in the DSM, so the normal folk of the world don't have to worry about being lumped together with them.

there was a 17 year old with aspergers from boston who was convicted of murder 1 in massachusetts.he did not deny his guilt he argued insanity.but the jury threw the book at him.life w/o parole.his name is john odgren.this happened this summer.many years back the was a hfa who was a seriel killer in utah.the kid from boston got obsessed with stephen king and acted out a book story by stabing a classmate.they say josef stalin was a idiot savant.however considering how serious a condition autism spectrum disorders are and how they are treated by the world.there have been very few autistics involved in serious violence.plus seriel killers are never nervious.we are a nervous group of people.so i dont buy the argument that there is a conection between autism aspergers and violence

This is false.

It's not true of me, it's not true of any of the autistics I've known in person, it's not true of any of the autistics I know online, it's not true of any of the autistics I've read books by and about.

Autistics do not actually lack empathy.

How are you gonna be a rapist with no sex drive?

Why would you, if your theory of mind extends to all people equally?

OP: What traits have you noticed that are common to both violent criminals and those with ASDs?

we must first separate the defination of autism from the pervasive developmental disorder the word is asosiated with.remember leo kanner used the term autistic efective contact disorder and hans asperger said die autistischen psychophoten in kindesalter.autistic psychopathy in childhood.the term was first used by eugene bluehler in referance to schiziphrenia.autism the word means sociopath.but this doesnt conect autism as we know it with psychopathy.if kanner and asperger knew what we know now about autism as a developmental disorder they probably wouldnt have used the word autism.

One of my special interests is serial killers. The author of that book had a lot of uncorrected errors in regards to the alleged AS serial killers--- spelling their names wrong, getting events wrong. I got the impression that he only read one book on each case, and not very carefully.

That being said, I think some serial killers such as Dahmer and Gein did have symptoms of AS. Hey, if neurotypicals can serial-kill, we can serial-kill.

As for the lack of empathy thing: both sociopaths and people with AS are said to lack 'empathy'. In the case of people with AS, I think it is that we don't pick up the non-verbal clues that show us the emotional states of others, and therefore, being unaware, we don't share the emotions of others and in that sense lack empathy. In my own case, when I do become aware of someone's emotions, I do empathize.

In the person who is a sociopath and does not also have AS, it's perhaps not a matter of not picking up non-verbal clues from others, but of not caring enough about others to have empathy.

In other words, the lack of empathy in AS is a lack of informed empathy, while the lack of empathy in sociopathy is a 'don't care' lack of empathy.

I'm wondering if it is possible for a person to have both AS and be a sociopath--- perhaps that would explain some of the cases of serial killers alleged to have AS better than the idea of having a 'killer' variant of AS.

dahmer was way to minipulative and to good a lying to have aspergers.the only autistic seriel killer i have heard of did not have as but was a verbal hight functioning autie (hfa) from utah