STOP THE EXTRADITION OF ASPERGERS SUFFERER TALHA AHSAN

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http://rt.com/news/uk-terror-suspects-e ... limbo-517/

http://www.sacc.org.uk/index.php?option ... 1&catid=29

http://freetalha.org


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hnson.html

There is one person who has been forgotten. He is called Talha Ahsan. He faces a life sentence in a Supermax prison in Colorado, USA. He suffers from Asperger Syndrome, an autistic spectrum disorder related to Autism which causes problems with communication, social interaction, flexibility of thought and sensory issues. There is a weak or no capacity in a Supermax to deal with Asperger Syndrome. Talha was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome as an adult. The movement for Autism and Asperger Syndrome large consists of the parents of white middle class children. Supported for adults is improving slowly but it is too weak, especially if the condition is diagnosed in adulthood, supported including rights are not always acknowledged. Aspergers is a relatively new condition for adults.

Therapy for Asperger syndrome includes communication skills training, social skills training and other therapies when the person works with other people. Placing an Aspergers sufferer in solitary confinement continuously will immensely increase the severity of the Asperger Syndrome and other coexisting conditions such as mental health problems. He will have no physical contact with the outside world including minimal communication with his family. Other problems include sensory overload or sensory deprivation. It is degrading for a person with Asperger syndrome to be placed in solitary confinement. Article 3 of the European Convention of Human Rights states that no should face degrading treatment, no limits and no exceptions. Placing an Aspergers sufferer in pre-trial solitary confinement will cause “cognitive vegetation”. He will unable to communicate with lawyers or take instructions or relate to the world. The Asperger syndrome will rapidly deteriorate. He will not be able to do himself justice. He will find the conditions very very difficult to survive or impossible resulting in death.


Why is only Gary McKinnon’s case being reconsidered ?
If he is extradited, the UK Government and previous UK Labour government should face all the consequences of their actions because Talha Ahsan will die or be severely “destroyed” as a result of having a very high suicide risk.

None of the articles you linked to in your post gave any details on just what Talha Ahsan's web sites were doing that ticked off the US gov. This consistent lack of detail on his alleged crime indicates a deliberate attempt to white wash Ahsan, to make him look innocent/misunderstood in the press. Without verifiable details of what he is accused of, it is not possible to form an accurate judgement of whether one believes him guilty or innocent. However, deliberately leaving such details out of all the given links does indicate a coverup on the part of pro Ahsan people. And don't say, "But the press would expose such a coverup." That's balderdash! Most of the world media is anti US, and pro enemy of the US! They will bend over backward far enough to stick their heads way up their a$$es if it gives them a chance to trash the US. Even if it puts their own countries in danger!

Stop pandering to the anti civilization crowd. Yes, this guy may have Asperger's, but we don't really know that for a fact, though, do we? Also, no matter what he may or may not have, if he has committed a crime, then he must answer for it. The one concession that should be made, if there is a proven, pre existing diagnosis of a spectrum or other disorder, is that he should be tried in the UK, where he and his family live, and if convicted, should serve his time there also.

They say he was involved with someone named Babar Ahmad who allegedly ran a website that was (allegedly) used to provide support to militants in Chechnya and Afghanistan.

Don't really know enough about it. Him being extradited would be wrong if he did nothing wrong - not because he has Asperger's.

Let me see if I understand this...

You're saying that placing an aspie in solitary, where he can be alone, in a quiet place where he can not be bothered, is worse than putting him in the general population to socialize with murderers, gangs, and rapists?

lol

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OP:

Why are you telling us what Asperger's is? I mean, this is a website specifically for aspies and autists and their friends and family; I think most of the people here already know unless they just registered without looking at the heading.

Excuse me? No. Secondly, I and perhaps a good number of others would prefer if you didn't tack the word "sufferer" onto the end to make it sound worse than it is.


I resent this. I don't think you know what you're talking about at all. Aspergers is not a degenerative disorder; if he had parkinsons or altzheimers then sure, why the hell not? But considering they shoved me into a shut off room in a mental hospital when I attempted suicide [because of being bullied and spending a lot of time with people who did not understand me rather than alone], with nothing to do, and I came out without imploding, you're talking a bit out of your ass.

Yes, the US is full of dickwads. I live here, I should know. He absolutely should be tried in his own country. And they absolutely should have evidence so they're not detaining him indefinitely.

That is true for normal people as well.

He will have to communicate with his lawyers, take instructions after a long period (2-3 years) of pretrial solitary confinement. He will lose the communication & social skills.

what crime is he accused of.on a cell phone sorry i could look at the link

http://freetalha.org/2012/04/we-shall-r ... o-the-u-s/

For Talha, the conditions awaiting him in the US may be especially damaging. In 2009 prison authorities diagnosed him with Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism. In a legal, medical report, Dr Quinton Deeley recommended Talha receive specialist care for his condition.
“It should be noted that by virtue of his Asperger’s syndrome and depressive disorder, (Talha) is an extremely vulnerable individual who, from a psychiatric perspective, would be more appropriately placed in a specialist service for adults with autistic disorders and co-morbid mental health problems, with a level of security dictated by his risk assessment,” he said.

The link ALADDIN_1978 provided above begins with:
Later, it says:

Nicely phrased...
I agree with Lenny on the sufferer thing though, I hate that word. I really can't see what this guy has done wrong, whether he had anything to do with militants or not. I think this is the American government once again being anti-anything-remotely-like-socialism. As per usual. So far as I can see, he's done nothing wrong. Having said that, I'm surprised the government is quite getting away with this one.

However, I also agree with questor on the whitewashing thing.

If he's a British citizen, then he must be tried in the UK, as per our Constitution: it's provided for in the Magna Carta, English Bill of Rights...

if he is a real war criminal he should be in united states military custody until U.S withdraws from afganistan and at that point free him no strings attatched to his naitive country.which it looks like that is britain.if britain views him as a war criminal they should free him to a country that willl take him.war criminal shouldnt be tried in civilian court and i also dont think aspergers is an excuse for terrorism.treat him like all other prisoners of war

Hi Sparkstorm,

See,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hnson.html

I do not think the govermnent will be allowed to leave this issue.

There are 3 scenarios:

1) Goes to the Grand Chambers of the European Court of Human Rights

2) If he is extradited, the family will sue the government for millions

3) The situation will resemble Gary McKinnon case.

1) may become 3) in the future.

2) is very unlikely to happen because there are Liberal Democrats are in a coalition with government, the government's reputation will be weakened and the economy is bad, there is little to waste.

In the future there is a greater chance of his case being highlighted.

Last edited by ALADDIN_1978 on 01 May 2012, 3:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

why not just treat him like any other prisoner of war and release him when the war is over.im the mean time interagate him vigourously for inteligence on al qaeda.i disagree with trying war criminals in civilian court

If he did it then he needs to be locked up whether he has AS or not! I have AS and that certainly doesn't mean I don't know right from wrong. When I do something wrong, I know it's wrong and that I might get caught. I also read that he was dx'd as an adult. That says to me that he's pretty high functioning if he could make it all the way to adulthood without anybody thinking something other than "just wierd" was wrong with him, which is the way it happened with me.

Why is it that when somebody on the spectrum commits a crime, there is going to be some group out there screaming for them to not be punished "because they are autistic"? I can understand if a lower functioning autistic shoplifted and either didn't know it was wrong, or it was a situation where they were in a store and very hungry so they just ate an apple or candy bar, etc. But terrorism? Really? You wanna keep the guy out of prison, the guy accused of terrorism, because he's got adult dx'd AS??

Let me borrow your car keys ok? I won't be gone long. Oh, and your credit cards. I won't do anything wrong.

Remember, I have AS!