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30 Nov 2008, 6:03 pm

Aspergers syndrome, regardless if you have been diagnosed or not, i feel does not exist. Think about it, observation is how psychologists can tell if you have aspergers or not. Don't you find that a little bit weak? The fact is there is no blood test, nothing that is truly supported with scientific results. Since their is nothing to show it exists, we should not jump to conclusions and assume, "doctor knows best". Believe it or not maybe there are another explanations why some people act a certain way that is contrary to the diagnoses made by the psychologist.



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30 Nov 2008, 6:09 pm

Excuse me, but I was diagnosed by Doctor Tony Attwood himself. Besides resurrecting Hans Asperger, I do not think you could get any more definitive a diagnosis.

I also think that you are a troll, given your other posts.


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30 Nov 2008, 6:22 pm

Is he banned then?



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30 Nov 2008, 6:26 pm

I disagree with you because my diagnosis was clear as a bell by Georgetown University Hospital. My AS does exist and you can never change my opinions on my talents or my diagnosis.


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30 Nov 2008, 6:39 pm

because its a subjective diagnosis is isnt real? then nothing was real until medicine could test for it! for example, you couldn't have an infection until the point in history when doctors were able to culture the bugs that caused it.... :?



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30 Nov 2008, 6:48 pm

Ok, that's it, show's over, these aren't the droids we're looking for...shut down the servers, etc...;)

So if tens of thousands of people on the site have the same symptoms, or roughly do, then what do we call it? George?...;)



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30 Nov 2008, 6:51 pm

I'm not saying that I agree with the original poster's suggestion, but I think it's a genuine question and not trolling. I also don't understand how the above comments are supposed to refute the theory that AS has been made up by psychologists as their arguments seem to be that AS can't have been made up by psychologists because they were told they had it by... er, their psychologist...

I think I read somewhere that there is a difference in MRI scans between autistic and non-autistic people, but it's not a routine test and not entirely diagnostic.

I've wondered myself, is AS just a case of one personality type being picked on by a more dominant one (first there was ADD, now AS... who knows what will be picked on next... people who don't like tidying? People who try to blend in too much?). These are just thoughts, I'm not trying to trivialise the actual conditions, but the OP does have a point about not swallowing everything a 'professional' tells you.



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30 Nov 2008, 7:16 pm

I'm pretty sure it does exist. The doctos though. One does need to choose them wisely.



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30 Nov 2008, 7:22 pm

I believe AS exists but diagnosing it is consensus science... subjective. That is a problem. Maybe the genetics of autism will be better understood one day.



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30 Nov 2008, 8:51 pm

Trudeau wrote:
Aspergers syndrome, regardless if you have been diagnosed or not, i feel does not exist. Think about it, observation is how psychologists can tell if you have aspergers or not. Don't you find that a little bit weak? The fact is there is no blood test, nothing that is truly supported with scientific results. Since their is nothing to show it exists, we should not jump to conclusions and assume, "doctor knows best". Believe it or not maybe there are another explanations why some people act a certain way that is contrary to the diagnoses made by the psychologist.


Sounds a bit like the familiar scientology psychobabble.

A blood test? Are you kidding me?



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30 Nov 2008, 8:51 pm

well, if you really believe i am trolling than ignor my message or better yet get a life. Second, i want answers through scientific means that can be proven without a reasonable doubt in question. I am not questioning autism as a whole, only the high functioning autism because there there are still many holes left blank. I am not a scientist, so i would not know the answer. However, as a person with this condition, i want to be certain, i have it. I do not know you people, so i do not know what problems you face in your private lifes. Please don't expect me to figure that out for you because that is your problem.



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30 Nov 2008, 9:01 pm

AS is sort of like a type of personality...


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30 Nov 2008, 9:23 pm

Trudeau wrote:
well, if you really believe i am trolling than ignor my message or better yet get a life. Second, i want answers through scientific means that can be proven without a reasonable doubt in question. I am not questioning autism as a whole, only the high functioning autism because there there are still many holes left blank. I am not a scientist, so i would not know the answer. However, as a person with this condition, i want to be certain, i have it. I do not know you people, so i do not know what problems you face in your private lifes. Please don't expect me to figure that out for you because that is your problem.


well, figureing out the 'scientific' diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome seems to be your problem. The reason it sounds like trolling is because you are asking people with the condition to give you scientific proof it exists.
You might do better to see if your life has any similarities to ours.

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30 Nov 2008, 9:33 pm

There's no way to diagnose Asperger's Syndrome other than simply observing behavioral patterns that are conjunctively found together, which is what a syndrome is; several symptoms that always seem to show up together. Brain neurology is a very complicated field, and since the brain is not fully understood, how to get physical evidence is very tough; even brain surgeons can't expect to get the same results after doing the same thing fifty times. Doctors simply look for things that are very abnormal, and for some reason are always found working together. The idea is that if all these are occuring together, and they don't seem like they could really be a product of the environment they're brought up in, it may be the result of something at a neurological level, much the way that chemical imbalances can cause depression.



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30 Nov 2008, 9:39 pm

Well, I have sometimes wonder whether Hans Apserger the Austrian psychiatrist who identified a condition distinct but related to that slightly earlier identified by his colleague and compatriot Kanner who had named autism (from Greek α̉υτ̀ος, self, he, same - not the only word in Greek for the latter) truly deserved to be honoured by the more recent psychiatrist Lorna Wing by having his name perpetuated

It exists if defined and named. Who wishes to support my campaign for having the name changed to the Gallifreyan guardian gene complex?


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30 Nov 2008, 10:10 pm

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Aspergers syndrome...


syndrome=symptoms

Blue Man Syndrome is usually the result of argyria, silver poisoning.
But if you fall into a pool of blue dye and forget about it,
you might be diagnosed with Blue Man Syndrome and fail tests for argyria.

Also, no doctor assumes you have normal health
if you come in coughing with a fever and red bumps and vomiting.

In both cases the symptoms are obviously real even if the cause is not.