What did I do wrong (argument/sources help)?

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I got jumped here on this thread. Now that I look back on it I could have destroyed several of his 'points' and arguments and the like and if I was more 'ballsy' and had the sources nearby or used them I could have smashed them (see 'functional human society' and correlation between autism and mental retardation and the like) and number of 'high functioning' autistics and stereotypes them seemed to have of low-functioning autists.

here it is. I tried a rematch but that degenerated into a flamewar with 'SirNitram'; before it could happen.

Basically what did I do wrong?

tinyurled to allow posting
http://tinyurl.com/5gjtha

This is the second page, where flaming begins. read the entire thread for better understanding.

EDIT: don't register and post there, for one that thread is old (VERY OLD) and bumping it is against that sites' rules and I'm afraid they might think it's me and ban me. Or I'm being paranoid. just don't post there please

Last edited by Warsie on 05 Apr 2008, 9:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

Warise,

I don't think you did anything wrong.

There are people on that thread who don't understand Autism / Asperger's issues and are arguing from a position of ignorance.

The Aspie guy who argued with you .... well if you've noticed on WrongPlanet people argue with each other all the time! Everybody is different and has different ideas.

You're not going to be able to convince everybody about your point of view.

I'd walk away from that thread! You're not going to win an argument!

Helen

Those people are dumbasses.

That's what I though too!

Helen

I sense a lot of insecurity in that forum.

You could attempt to point out that their repeated claims that most Autistics are mentally ret*d is a complete myth. In fact, those labelled LFA have the same average intelligence as NTs based on the Raven's Progressive Matrices, and those labelled HFA or AS on average have somewhat higher intelligence on any IQ test.

Also, someone derided the Autism Rights movement as disregarding the fact that "autism is not a pleasant experience for those who have it." Oh really? Just about everyone IN the autism rights movement is autistic themselves. (Well, we've also got some nice NTs with us, like Helen here)

Also, the medical and scientific community is not as monolithic as they claim; in fact every major researcher into Asperger's has claimed that it is not a disability. Almost all of those researchers also say that Asperger's and autism are roughly the same thing, so you can extrapolate that they would not necessarily consider autism at large to be a disability.

Also, it could help to point out that many scientists are autistic. Cambridge University has a higher rate of autism than almost anywhere else in the world, from what I've read. On a side note, someone mentioned synesthesia as an "unrelated disorder." First, synesthesia is probably related to autism (difference in functioning of the thalamus, just as with SID that almost always accompanies autism) and second, synesthesia on its own has no negative effects whatsoever; how could it ever be referred to as a disorder?

How do you define 'on its own'?If a person is left completely undisturbed?

If a synaesthetic person is having constant overloads by participating in society normally, then it's an impairment.

If another person with synaesthesia does not have any or only minimal overloads, then it's not an impairment.

It all depends. There are some cases - and there are others. To assume which cases are a majority is problematic unless we ever can check 6.5 billion people for diagnosable and undiagnosable cases of synaesthesia.

Though I'd be more for checking them all for ASDs hehe.

AS may not be a disability. But it sure can be.

I mean synesthesia only, meaning someone who experiences synesthesia but has no other neurological abnormalities such as autism, Asperger's, NVLD, sensory integration disorder, etc. A person with synesthesia having overloads would also be considered to have SID. The two probably go together simply because they involve abnormal functioning of the thalamus, but synesthesia alone, with no other atypicalities, can not possibly be construed as a disorder.

*phew*.

I thought I really did something wrong. But yes the board culture does allow flaming and every person is different. Cool

EDIT: this happened a while ago actually, I gave up a while ago. thx.

BTW, Warsie, I registered for an account so I could correct a few of the more blatant inaccuracies on that thread. How long does it take the admins to confirm a new account?

Another question for clarification: if someone has several forms of synaesthesia (or a form that causes a great deal of additional sensory input), then it's normal that senses can overload or not? All input can go x2.

NTs get overloads too, if you force them into too much input. I know plenty of NTs say 'they need to get away' or get irritable, angry, cry and throw tantrums at worst, if you make them face an insane amount of input.

I thought overloads in autistic people/people with SID were special in that sense, that this 'reaction is inappropriate to the circumstances'. Due to neurological differences that fail to shut out what NTs successfully put aside in no concern. NTs can endure the same circumstances just fine. But there is a limit to this too.

I agree that synaesthesia isn't a disorder in itself though. Many people with it don't have any problems. Well, no other than having to endure ignorance and suspicion of an awed and confused society that acts hostile towards this differences.

I got the impression that its a huge concern for many.

And that many people have no ides what synaesthesia is. (Amazes me personally, I knew about it long before I know about autism!)

a few hours, or days at most. Also please don't go on there starting something else.

That thread is dead and buried for a while ago and I don't want them to think that I had anything to deal with it.

OK then, I will leave it alone if you would prefer. I have no other reason to be on a Star Wars vs Star Trek forum, and I registered the same username as here, so it won't be difficult for anyone there to guess where I heard about this thread.

yeah. thank you. I was just looking for info and making sure I did not do anything wrong.

A quick google of my name would show everything I posted. I chose this as many forums won't accept "Star Wars Fan" due to spacing

The links you asked for in PM:

The Level and Nature of Autistic Intelligence (abstract) If you use the Raven's Progressive Matrices rather than the Weschler test (which has been shown to be deeply flawed) even those labelled as LFA score completely average (though with a broader distribution, 5% still came out mentally ret*d and 1/3 were at or above the 90th percentile, meaning considerably above average). Full text of the study here.

A study from Keio University Medical School: Superior fluid intelligence in children with Asperger's (abstract) Sorry, I couldn't find the full text for this one outside of subscription-only sources where you have to pay for the full article. Basically, Aspies are appreciably more intelligent than the average for the general population when tested on Raven's Progressive Matrices, which other studies have shown to have more validity than the more common Weschler.

thx ORwell

I also forgot...is it odd that 3 autistics jumped in against me? or is that again, odd and a board thing.