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04 Jan 2009, 8:39 am

Neutrotypical people may flourish best under free market style-systems, where voluntary agreements and barter is deciding the day.

That don't mean they cannot work under more state regulatory systems, but their egoism and search for the most wealth to derive to their offspring, as well as their "pack focus" make any kind of advanced structure not build upon "small groups" trying to accumulate wealth difficult.

Moreover, aspies tend to fare badly under free market conditions, because the free market is based upon "social competence" and interaction with neurotypical human beings.

The free market is also atomist, it does'nt care about those who are starving, the environment or the waste it causes. It is characterised by externalisation of all problems it causes, and therefore ignores them.

Aspies are specialised. That mean that we are unsuited to take care of more duties than our "programming", to independently go out on labour market and try to compete with neurotypical human beings. We are not collectivist, but we are not socially but technically adaptive.

That means we need from-craddle-to-grave society in order to reach our higher potential. While that may demoralise neurotypical human beings, aspies would blossom if all factors which drain us from our creative energy are removed, factors like having to pay bills, taxes, having to chose between companies or insurances, and to listen to salesmen.

We need logical, rational system which will distribute to us what we want and need.

We need technocracy. It would make us superior.



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04 Jan 2009, 9:16 am

I'm an aspie, and I much prefer a free market capitalistic system. Because even with my limitations, I still want more out of life than success in a narrow specialty. I want to go out to nice restaurants and wear nice clothes when I go out on a date. I want to buy new books and songs and games for my Xbox360. I want to eventually buy a house and own the land it sits on, rather than owe someone else perpetually. In other words, I want to grow as a person. Even an aspie can grow. Sure, it's only material wealth and not spiritual growth. But sometimes, you have to have something before you see you don't need it anymore. I want the choice to have it, and I'm willing to accept the risk of failure to get it.


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04 Jan 2009, 9:20 am

Growth as person =/= Free market capitalism.

Just because there will be no free market, it won't mean no houses, no artwork, no new clothes or that you won't get new videogame.

Technocracy is not communism.

Learn.

http://en.technocracynet.eu



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04 Jan 2009, 9:36 am

Zyborg, when are you going to accept that not all aspies are like you?



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04 Jan 2009, 10:05 am

Technocracy is not the way to go. You are putting a lot of faith in someone who might not have your best interests in mind. Unfortunately, we are heading away from where individuals can make their own decisions.

Zyborg, I find it ironic that you would want technocracy. You favor a government that is like Autism Speaks.


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04 Jan 2009, 10:17 am

Maditude wrote:
Technocracy is not the way to go. You are putting a lot of faith in someone who might not have your best interests in mind. Unfortunately, we are heading away from where individuals can make their own decisions.

Zyborg, I find it ironic that you would want technocracy. You favor a government that is like Autism Speaks.


Technocracy is not about making decisions over how people should live their life, but is adminsitration of natural resources and distribution. Educate yourself.



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04 Jan 2009, 10:22 am

Give me a gun and a shack in the woods,and I don't need your government.

I think all the systems have flaws, hard to say which are better or worse.



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04 Jan 2009, 10:23 am

zghost wrote:
Give me a gun and a shack in the woods,and I don't need your government.

I think all the systems have flaws, hard to say which are better or worse.


And you think yourself armed with gun is superior?



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04 Jan 2009, 10:29 am

Zyborg wrote:
Maditude wrote:
Technocracy is not the way to go. You are putting a lot of faith in someone who might not have your best interests in mind. Unfortunately, we are heading away from where individuals can make their own decisions.

Zyborg, I find it ironic that you would want technocracy. You favor a government that is like Autism Speaks.


Technocracy is not about making decisions over how people should live their life, but is adminsitration of natural resources and distribution. Educate yourself.


Who gets to decide who gets to distribute natural resources? I've educated myself quite well, thank you. :wink:


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04 Jan 2009, 10:32 am

Maditude wrote:
Zyborg wrote:
Maditude wrote:
Technocracy is not the way to go. You are putting a lot of faith in someone who might not have your best interests in mind. Unfortunately, we are heading away from where individuals can make their own decisions.

Zyborg, I find it ironic that you would want technocracy. You favor a government that is like Autism Speaks.


Technocracy is not about making decisions over how people should live their life, but is adminsitration of natural resources and distribution. Educate yourself.


Who gets to decide who gets to distribute natural resources? I've educated myself quite well, thank you. :wink:


According to technocracy, it is resource base itself which is basis of distribution.

Resource base divided with number of inhabitants of technate. http://en.technocracynet.eu



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04 Jan 2009, 10:44 am

It seems to be a pure form of communism (which is better than what China, Cuba, or the old Soviet Union ran.) It seems to be close in concept to a kibbutz, except at a wider scale.


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04 Jan 2009, 11:26 am

Maditude wrote:
It seems to be a pure form of communism (which is better than what China, Cuba, or the old Soviet Union ran.) It seems to be close in concept to a kibbutz, except at a wider scale.


I see no wrong in that. You get judged after your technical skills, not your personality.



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04 Jan 2009, 12:06 pm

I like the alternative suggested by the Venus Project, the resource based economy. Can't be much worse than any of the other systems out there.


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04 Jan 2009, 12:07 pm

Sir_Beefy wrote:
I like the alternative suggested by the Venus Project, the resource based economy. Can't be much worse than any of the other systems out there.


That is one form of technocracy.



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04 Jan 2009, 3:21 pm

I think one that is run by real people, of real people, and for real people.

The problem with ideal societies is that we don't have enough ideal people to make one with...;)



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04 Jan 2009, 4:33 pm

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And you think yourself armed with gun is superior?

No, hence the in the woods avoiding everybody part.