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11 Aug 2008, 7:49 am

There is actually a good physiological rationale: allergies put a strain on your adrenal glands, exactly like stress and anxiety do. So if you are in any way allergic/sensitive to gluten, the symptoms of that constant allergy would be very similar to anxiety.



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11 Aug 2008, 1:13 pm

You make a good point, one I never thought of before. It kind of helps me to understand why I still have to be so careful not to over expend my energy levels.

However, once an allergen is removed from someone's diet, an improvement should be noticed almost immediately (I would have thought) as the immune system stops responding to the allergen.

I am self taught (though necessity) my knowledge probably has huge gaps in it.



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11 Aug 2008, 3:48 pm

My doc reckons that my allergy to gluten is the cause of my excessive anxiety and phobias. My adrenal glands need to restore themselves (they are worn out) being gluten free wont cause any further damage, but its overall restoration will require a reasonably lenghty duration. I read somewhere that gluten free and dairy free can be beneficial for kids with AS? Are aspies biologicaly prone to being allergic to gluten??????? Or is it for some other reason??? Only expertise can answer that.



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12 Aug 2008, 7:45 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
My doc reckons that my allergy to gluten is the cause of my excessive anxiety and phobias. My adrenal glands need to restore themselves (they are worn out) being gluten free wont cause any further damage, but its overall restoration will require a reasonably lenghty duration. I read somewhere that gluten free and dairy free can be beneficial for kids with AS? Are aspies biologicaly prone to being allergic to gluten??????? Or is it for some other reason??? Only expertise can answer that.


I think people in general often are sensitive to one or both of these, and lots of people with AS have anxiety. You could postulate an even larger amount of people with anxiety have sensitivities like that. So it seems like it is worth a shot.

Anyway, while you heal your adrenal glands, make sure you are getting vitamin C and E and enough sleep. More than the RDA for vitamin C is good, like 500mg-1g a day, but there is no need to megadose either like those people who think we need 5g a day.



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13 Aug 2008, 2:14 am

Mind you, if I'm coming down with something I'll take around 8g of Vitamin C a day and still don't overdose (the sign you're overdosing is you'll get uhm... loose stools). It takes a lot to overdose on VC!! So although you don't really need to unless you're fighting off a virus, megadosing won't hurt you if you decide to do it. :)


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13 Aug 2008, 10:09 am

LeKiwi wrote:
Mind you, if I'm coming down with something I'll take around 8g of Vitamin C a day and still don't overdose (the sign you're overdosing is you'll get uhm... loose stools). It takes a lot to overdose on VC!! So although you don't really need to unless you're fighting off a virus, megadosing won't hurt you if you decide to do it. :)


I don't think megadosing is necessarily risky, just more of a waste of money, with C. 1g is enough for an active person; of course if you work a physical job or are sick, you may need more than that, but I still doubt you are using that 8g and not peeing it out.



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13 Aug 2008, 12:58 pm

Well, since I started doing that not a single cold, flu or any other bug has ever developed beyond the initial achiness (which is when I start to megadose), even when my entire office will be off for a week with it. Take from that what you will. ;)


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13 Aug 2008, 2:01 pm

You've "read somewhere" that GF/CF diets are "recommended" for autistics/aspies because that's another agenda being pushed - a significant minority of those of us on the spectrum also happen to have some degree of Celiac Disease, and will find some relief from those symptoms by removing gluten and casein from their diets. Since Celiac is notoriously hard to diagnose (positive diagnosis requires a biopsy of the intestines), and since so much of autism "research" is anecdotal, many of the parents of those finding such relief will a) attribute the negative reactions from Celiac to autism, and b) proclaim that the diet miraculously "cured" their child's autism.

If you have Celiac, by all means, pursue a GF/CF lifestyle. It's done wonders for my mother. My profoundly autistic sister, who lives with her and therefore shares the lifestyle, has experienced no such changes, however - caveat emptor and all that.

And good gluten-free bread can be made - potato bread, for instance, or rice-flour bread - you just need a good recipe.


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03 Mar 2011, 2:47 pm

My ND suggests at least 3 months. Avoiding gluten is beneficial for gut healing. Some people do not develop lab detectable allergies even though their bodies are being ravaged by gluten.



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05 Mar 2011, 5:15 pm

A bit slack lately due to having guests over, but am officially on the caveman diet. As I understand it, the liver stores about 400 units of carbs or carb related energy, the body uses insulin to convert it into a useful (non toxic) form, but the modern western diet has a couple thousand units per day which is way too much to be healthy (permanent insulin bath). I used to get hypo/hyper?glycemic every day, but changed my diet and have not had it in several months. Plus cutting out grains has helped my teeth feel cleaner. They feel really grungy if I lapse and have a piece of bread or pasta. And I no longer get indigestion/reflux which used to get common, I guess due to gluten or some such.


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05 Mar 2011, 6:24 pm

Have been on a Gluten Free diet for about 2 weeks now and feel a lot better.

My reasons for being on it is because I suspect I may have Candida. Very difficult to diagnose properly I do have it though.


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20 Mar 2011, 1:25 am

DeaconBlues wrote:
You've "read somewhere" that GF/CF diets are "recommended" for autistics/aspies because that's another agenda being pushed - a significant minority of those of us on the spectrum also happen to have some degree of Celiac Disease, and will find some relief from those symptoms by removing gluten and casein from their diets. Since Celiac is notoriously hard to diagnose (positive diagnosis requires a biopsy of the intestines), and since so much of autism "research" is anecdotal, many of the parents of those finding such relief will a) attribute the negative reactions from Celiac to autism, and b) proclaim that the diet miraculously "cured" their child's autism.

If you have Celiac, by all means, pursue a GF/CF lifestyle. It's done wonders for my mother. My profoundly autistic sister, who lives with her and therefore shares the lifestyle, has experienced no such changes, however - caveat emptor and all that.

And good gluten-free bread can be made - potato bread, for instance, or rice-flour bread - you just need a good recipe.


Usually, when this topic comes up, I marvel at how long it takes for someone to mention Celiac Disease. However, I acknowledge the possibility that while eliminating gluten, dieters may eliminate other food matter that affects how they feel. If one wants to try something to improve mood or feeling, that is fine. However, the prime reason for that practice (an autoimmune disease) merits acknowledgement, as well as how/if an individual might be affected. This rather than simply giving into anxious, mindless bandwagonism.


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20 Mar 2011, 2:05 am

marieclaire wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
I've been on a g-f diet for over a month now. Unfortunately my doc says i need to be on it for at least six months. I suppose the length of time is that large because any positive effects will only occur gradually. I'm in my 20's so maybe the full positive effects will take longer, afterall according to my doc i've had the wrong (unsatisfactory) diet for two plus decades.

The positive changes thus far include:
reduced anxiety, better concentration and more energy. (BUT THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN SLIGHT, NOT MIRACULOUS)


I would be interested to know the physiological rational for his opinion and reasoning.


PatrickNeville wrote:
Have been on a Gluten Free diet for about 2 weeks now and feel a lot better.

My reasons for being on it is because I suspect I may have Candida. Very difficult to diagnose properly I do have it though.



To say little of sound experimentation, some posts here seem to highlight dietary practices well outside the boundaries of clinical, physiological rationale, and well into the boundaries of alternative medicine. Just like a good deal of other homeopathic rubbish, it seems that many doctors and health professionals are duped into or neglectfully recommend these practices without any clinical precedence or scientific rationale.

To address the idea of Candida and reiterate what I said about how dieters who seek to eliminate one substance from their diets often simultaneously eliminate other substances that affect the way in which they feel, here is a quote from a Mayo Clinic internist:

Brent A. Bauer, M.D. wrote:
Some alternative practitioners blame common symptoms such as fatigue, headache and poor memory on intestinal overgrowth of the fungus-like organism Candida albicans, or yeast syndrome. To cure the syndrome, they recommend a candida cleanse diet, which includes no sugar, white flour, yeast and cheese, on the theory that these foods promote candida overgrowth.

Unfortunately, there is not much evidence to support the diagnosis of yeast syndrome and many conventional practitioners doubt its validity. And there are no clinical trials that document the efficacy of a candida cleanse diet for treating any recognized medical condition.

Not surprisingly, many people note improvement in various symptoms when following this diet. If you stop eating sugar and white flour, you'll generally wind up cutting out most processed foods, which tend to be high in calorie content and low on nutritive value. Within a few weeks of replacing processed foods with fresh ones and white flour with whole grains, you may start to feel better in general. That, rather than stopping the growth of yeast in the gastrointestinal tract, is the main benefit of a candida cleanse diet.

Link: Candida Cleanse

As for that notion of 'sound experimentation,' this is as if one performs a scientific experiment while manipulating multiple variables simultaneously. How, then, does one determine what caused the reaction?


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20 Mar 2011, 2:21 am

Thanks for the info. This is the diet I am following at the moment for Candida, which i will copy and paste as i wrote it donw before.

"To cure it I am avoiding as much carbohydrates and sugars as possible (complex carbs break down into simple sugars). I am making use of alkalising foods such as ginger and garlic as they are widely recommended for reducing the amounts. I am also eating some Organic eggs and some sardines rather than my strict vegan diet, because neither of them break down into sugars which can feed the Candida organism. I still eat some spinach, other salads, brocoli and a few other things but I am just making my choices more limitted and more nutrient dense.

I need to avoid caffine, alcohol, foods with fungal, yeast or mushroom ingredients, even if they are only extracts, as they promote growth.

There are a wide variety of supplements, herbs and foods available which have anti-fungal properties. I am slowing buying more and more and attempting to reduce the growth.

I am using a probiotic to help restore a bacterial balance which is more favourable towards preventing future over growths.

I am using Milk Thistle extract as it helps stimulate the liver to get rid of the toxins. I am also wanting a few other supplements which absorb the toxins and flush them out rather than them being processed by the organs.

When Candida is alive is produces an alcohol toxin as well as over 100 more. When it dies off, due to alkaline foods and anti fungals it releases all the toxins stored within it making symptoms temporerarly worse. This could be from a week, to a few months.


To minimise the impact of 'die off' I need to apply supplements to absorb the toxins, try and be physically active to get the organs working without them being over whelmed by toxins and aim to sweat out all I can rather than the organs deal with them.


The symptoms are widely known as 'brain fog'. In other words Chronic fatigue. I deal with it pretty much every single day, some days being worse / better than others."

To add to that, I am about to get a colonic as it can really help with getting rid of toxins, I am going to be using Psylium Husk to help flush out toxins rather than my organs process them and go to a sauna so that when i am applying the diet much more rigorously that the toxins are sweated out.

This supplement here will pretty much destory the candida so a safe level.

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/ ... prodid=239

Once I start using that I am going to feel worse for a while but i'd rather apply the proper toxin absorption and quickly get it over and done with.


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