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14 Jan 2017, 12:26 am

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

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14 Jan 2017, 12:49 am

I hate them too! They're the most idiotic anti-science loud mouthed imbeciles.

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14 Jan 2017, 2:16 am

It's time to stop listening to all deceivers, whether they be main-stream or alternative-sources, and heed only The Messiah instead. Why, The Messiah even wrote an Open Letter to the Australian Vaccination Network, Informed Choice Magazine, and has had an Open Letter up on The Testament of Truth web-site for the last 12 years that you can read here...

http://www.the-testament-of-truth.co.uk/truth/web/other1.htm

I will quote the first five sentences of his letter to the AVN as follows...

The Messiah wrote:

Dear AVN 'management.' It is regrettable that you mislead so many people with your 'unbalanced' statements. I do feel that 'deceivers' need to know that they are responsible for the suffering that they 'inflict' through their deception.

You may 'think' that your 'promotion' is 'balanced & informed' and of good intent, but you see not that you 'invent' reasons to 'back up' your 'claims' that vaccines are in some way 'unnecessary'? And maybe not needed? And maybe 'dangerous'? And you also use 'fear' tactics to 'link' Autism and other 'imbalances' to vaccination.

What you FAIL to see, is that when 'unprotected' sexual contact is made with 'diseased' others, then death does follow and, - - - equally, when the 'fearful' and misinformed and unvaccinated come into contact with some diseases, death and/or disfigurement does also follow in the majority of cases and, - - -

It is proven that vaccination can lessen or 'stamp out' dangerous diseases and, - - - the 'fear' factor that you 'promote' by giving the public your 'style' of 'informed' information is, that they assume that their child will or may become a sufferer 'statistic' if vaccinated, and thus they 'prefer' to not vaccinate or to seek some other 'sort of' immunisation from more than dubious sources and, - - -

In your 'promotion' you also sell the 'idea' that children will become Autistic as you openly use your site for monetary gain. I believe that freedom of choice is what life is about but, - - - there is a consequence as said for deception.

Yes, when I say The Messiah, I AM talking about THE Messiah. This is NOT a «Mental-Illness» coming from me by the way. The name of The RETURNED Messiah is Terence and, unlike other people who have made claims to be the so-called reincarnation of Jesus who clearly have an ego-problem, Terence does NOT seek fame nor fortune, Terence does NOT want anybody to bow down to him, Terence does NOT want anybody to worship him, Terence does NOT claim to be God, Terence makes no claim of ever having walked on water nor turning water into wine (and that anybody who would actually believe such stories has been taken for a ride [this is a polite way of saying that the believers of such claims are fools who've been conned and deceived by a bunch of scammers]), amongst various other VERY SANE statements/writings coming from him that I have read from his/God's web-site and e-mail replies from him.

I must make it very clear and repeat that I am VERY SANE and NOT JOKING when I talk about how The Messiah HAS «returned» back to this Earth and that those Prosecutors/Judges/Magistrates who tried to Force me into a Psychological-Evaluation on the claim that they thought I might have a Mental-Illness for making mention of The (VERY SANE) Messiah are ironically the ones with the Mental-Illness. Why, a new judge ended up being assigned to my case, and he was responding to the Prosecutor...: «Okay, so let me get this straight, you're prosecuting him for Trespassing, and this happened... in an abandoned building?» (the judge was clearly trying to wrap his head around this one and raising his eye-brow... especially after hearing that I had been illegally/unlawfully kept in jail on various bills of attainder for over a month despite not having committed any actual crimes). I tell you the Prosecutor in this town is a complete nut-case (the whole entire County is full of corrupt officials for that matter).

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14 Jan 2017, 11:49 am

My brother and his wife are antivaxxers and I regard both of them as idiots. They didn't vaccinate their children because they believe vaccines cause autism which is total nonsense. Ironically one of their children is showing signs of autism anyway.

They wanted to take their family to go to West Africa act as missionaries without the children having any vaccinations. It took a nurse to tell them that they would end up having their children die on them to knock some sense into them and decide not to go.

They are both batshit crazy anyway as their inability to think critically isn't limited to just antivaccination nonscense but it permeates every aspect of their lives.

That being said not all vaccines are the same, just like not all medications are the same. Cricitism and discussion should not be shut down.

There are problems with yearly influenza vaccines. There are legitimate studies indicating that serial vaccination of influenza can limit the body's ability to fight the virus in the future.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/ser ... -1.3147903

There was also a problem with the immune booster that certain pharmacuetical companies used in certain countries for the H1N1 vaccine that caused an increase in childhood narcolepsy which certain countries acknowledged the link and have offered compensation for. That being said even when weighing the risks and consequences, that was a particularly deadly flu season and the benefits vaccination still outweighed the risks.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/w5/sleepin ... -1.1524420

Just because the public in general has difficultly weighing risks and benefits by putting them into perspective, doesn't mean that the general public should not be informed about both the risks and benefits.

I see this ALL the time with pharmacueticals. The medical community believes they know best and they automatically make the decision for the patient. They do not properly inform the patient. The most the useless pharmacists warn you about is say that a medication can cause headaches or nausea, but they never warn you about serious risks like diabetes type II, tardive dyskensia, risk of liver toxicity or any other adverse effect that matters. They don't inform the patient because they don't want to scare the patient. They automatically believe the patients can't be trusted to make an informed choice for themselves.

I think failing to inform the patient is a form of dishonesty and the patient cannot possibly give informed consent without this information which I am strongly against as ultimately if anything goes wrong, it is the patient who has to suffer the consequences so they have the right to be informed.

The medical community and government health bodies need to focus instead on educating the public about both risks and benefits of any treatment, vaccine or medication or otherwise and help them put the risks and benefits in perspective NOT just make the decision for them.

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14 Jan 2017, 12:06 pm

lidsmichelle wrote:

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

I believe MMR was what gave my brother permanent brain damage, either that or DtAP. If you had the vaccine then how did you get mumps? I don't really understand how that works.

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14 Jan 2017, 12:54 pm

Jacoby wrote:

lidsmichelle wrote:

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

I believe MMR was what gave my brother permanent brain damage, either that or DtAP. If you had the vaccine then how did you get mumps? I don't really understand how that works.

You can believe what you want, sure.

As for why I got mumps, as I understand while it makes you nine times less likely to get mumps if you've had two doses, it doesn't mean you still can't get it. It's just very rare to contract it after you've had your vaccinations. My guess is my immune system was already weakened - I've been fighting strep for weeks now, and just now got a diagnosis and am on antibiotics.

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14 Jan 2017, 12:57 pm

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Yes but I think it goes without saying that MMR is a pretty important vaccination. Mumps can cause permanent deafness and also can cause encephalitis which can, rarely to be fair, cause death.

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14 Jan 2017, 12:58 pm

Doctors in the UK are given financial incentives to make patients have all 3 jabs at once. I think we always ought to question everything.

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14 Jan 2017, 1:03 pm

lidsmichelle wrote:

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lidsmichelle wrote:

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

I believe MMR was what gave my brother permanent brain damage, either that or DtAP. If you had the vaccine then how did you get mumps? I don't really understand how that works.

Believe what? Do you not believe it's possible to have a reaction to a vaccination?

I've been reading that a lot of childhood vaccinations don't really protect you much longer than like 10 years and that they want you to get booster every year or so as an adult, it seems like a lot of these outbreaks are actually within the vaccinated population. So if vaccinations don't protect you as long as previously thought then the concept of a 'herd immunity' doesn't make a lot of sense since it's likely that far fewer than 96% of people are protected at any given time.

I don't see why there has to be a vaccination that includes 3 different things, those can be separated and spaced out I think.

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14 Jan 2017, 1:20 pm

Maybe the drug companies make more money by them being done all at once and don't really care about consequences, and you know if there are any, that could lead to more drugs being needed :idea:

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14 Jan 2017, 2:45 pm

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/11/1458.full
Other than outbreaks linked to use of the poorly protective Rubini vaccine [23, 26, 27, 30, 85], the major factor in most of the outbreaks reviewed here appeared to be incomplete vaccine coverage. For example, nearly 70% of the 16,367 notified mumps cases in the United Kingdom in 2004 occurred in unvaccinated individuals [49] who had not been targeted by the vaccination program and remained susceptible because of low circulation of mumps caused by high levels of vaccination in younger cohorts. Similarly, a 2004 outbreak in Sweden—a country maintaining a 2-dose vaccine coverage rate of >90% for the past 20 years—occurred almost exclusively among unvaccinated individuals not targeted by the vaccination program

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14 Jan 2017, 5:15 pm

I have permanent hearing loss because of mumps as a child.

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14 Jan 2017, 5:56 pm

My crazy old man is an anti-vaxxer. He says it's a NWO conspiracy to get mind control drugs into people. He said the same about fluoridation :roll:

He keeps using the most ridiculous argument. He said, if vaccines work than vaccinated people wouldn't fear catching diseases from unvaccinated carriers. He doesn't understand vaccines aren't 100% effective.

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15 Jan 2017, 1:48 am

Would it help to point out the Ben Franklin was pro inoculation?

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15 Jan 2017, 10:17 am

Jacoby wrote:

lidsmichelle wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

lidsmichelle wrote:

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

I believe MMR was what gave my brother permanent brain damage, either that or DtAP. If you had the vaccine then how did you get mumps? I don't really understand how that works.

Where did you get 96% from in which to draw your conclusions from?

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15 Jan 2017, 12:39 pm

Noca wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

lidsmichelle wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

lidsmichelle wrote:

I have the mumps because of those idiots and their disease ridden children. Some of us actually got our MMR vaccinations as children. Ugh.

I believe MMR was what gave my brother permanent brain damage, either that or DtAP. If you had the vaccine then how did you get mumps? I don't really understand how that works.

Where did you get 96% from in which to draw your conclusions from?

I am not sure, I must of seen it quoted somewhere, Wikipedia has it little lower for measles and pertussis at 95% and 94% respectively. Didn't know the others were lower than that.

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