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18 Jan 2010, 1:09 am

Yes, vaccination should be mandatory, religious and personal beliefs aren't as important as people's safety and health.

That said, the only shot I will never get is the flu shot. With all this swine flu "hype" going on, I wash my hands with regular soap frequently and before I eat. After 3 "waves", I have not gotten sick.

I guess my point is that there are those mandatory vaccines (ie. hepatitis and measles) which it should be written in law that all persons must have, and there are some that are not mandatory, like the flu vaccine (because isn't this just an excuse to be filthy and unhygienic?) shouldn't be forced.


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18 Jan 2010, 3:06 am

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Yes, vaccination should be mandatory, religious and personal beliefs aren't as important as people's safety and health.
You do realize that there are some people who can't take vaccines at all and who don't respond to them, correct? If vaccinations were made compulsory at the federal level, it may do more harm than good. Just because there aren't very many people like that doesn't mean you should have total disregard for them. If such a law was enacted and it allowed for cops or whoever else to kick in your door and pin you down and make you take a shot, and that happens with someone who can't take vaccines either due to a medical condition or because it is unlikely the will respond properly, it will hit the fan. There are also some people who had a reaction to a vaccine and are unsure which one they suffered a reaction to. I know that way back when I was a baby I got a vaccine and suffered a reaction to a vaccine and neither I nor my parents are sure which one it was (I'm 19 now, by the way). So yeah, I don't think making vaccination mandatory under federal law would be such a good idea.


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18 Jan 2010, 3:15 am

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Vaccines are just a sideline.
No, they are the cream of the crop for Big Pharma, this is because vaccines are the easiest to impose on the public, this will most definitely make the companies rich. Profit is also the reason they have blanket immunity from lawsuits, they didn't want to be sued because they knew that if they were and the plantiff won the case, then they would be required to compensate the plantiff. And what is it that you're giving to someone when you are compensating them? The obvious answer to that question is: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It's all about money, honey, all about money...


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18 Jan 2010, 7:56 pm

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Yes, vaccination should be mandatory, religious and personal beliefs aren't as important as people's safety and health.
You do realize that there are some people who can't take vaccines at all and who don't respond to them, correct? If vaccinations were made compulsory at the federal level, it may do more harm than good. Just because there aren't very many people like that doesn't mean you should have total disregard for them. If such a law was enacted and it allowed for cops or whoever else to kick in your door and pin you down and make you take a shot, and that happens with someone who can't take vaccines either due to a medical condition or because it is unlikely the will respond properly, it will hit the fan. There are also some people who had a reaction to a vaccine and are unsure which one they suffered a reaction to. I know that way back when I was a baby I got a vaccine and suffered a reaction to a vaccine and neither I nor my parents are sure which one it was (I'm 19 now, by the way). So yeah, I don't think making vaccination mandatory under federal law would be such a good idea.


1. I did not say that for that there weren't medical reasons why people shouldn't have shots. I said that personal and religious beliefs are insignificant. Please read more closely.

2. When you or your kids or someone you know gets a disease that could have been easily prevented by getting a vaccine, tell me all about it, I'm all ears.

3. Also, you say that just because "there aren't very many people [who don't vaccinate] doesn't mean that [I] should have total disregard for them", wouldn't the same argument go that they, too, are having "total disregard" for everyone else's health?


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18 Jan 2010, 9:46 pm

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Yes, vaccination should be mandatory, religious and personal beliefs aren't as important as people's safety and health.
You do realize that there are some people who can't take vaccines at all and who don't respond to them, correct? If vaccinations were made compulsory at the federal level, it may do more harm than good. Just because there aren't very many people like that doesn't mean you should have total disregard for them. If such a law was enacted and it allowed for cops or whoever else to kick in your door and pin you down and make you take a shot, and that happens with someone who can't take vaccines either due to a medical condition or because it is unlikely the will respond properly, it will hit the fan. There are also some people who had a reaction to a vaccine and are unsure which one they suffered a reaction to. I know that way back when I was a baby I got a vaccine and suffered a reaction to a vaccine and neither I nor my parents are sure which one it was (I'm 19 now, by the way). So yeah, I don't think making vaccination mandatory under federal law would be such a good idea.


1. I did not say that for that there weren't medical reasons why people shouldn't have shots. I said that personal and religious beliefs are insignificant. Please read more closely.

2. When you or your kids or someone you know gets a disease that could have been easily prevented by getting a vaccine, tell me all about it, I'm all ears.

3. Also, you say that just because "there aren't very many people [who don't vaccinate] doesn't mean that [I] should have total disregard for them", wouldn't the same argument go that they, too, are having "total disregard" for everyone else's health?
I said that just because there aren't many who can't vaccinate doesn't mean you should have total disregard for them. Also, in regards to "personal and religious beliefs", what about legitimate concerns about the chemicals in vaccines (and no, I do not mean Thimerosal, but other things such as Borax) and whether we are over-vaccinating our kids and thereby exposing them to whatever is in there more than they need to be. Read the post I made on page 1 and you will see what I'm talking about.


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19 Jan 2010, 2:55 am

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Children must be vaccinated?

I can't believe children are THAT unhealthy.


They are not that unhealthy. vaccinations are given to young children for 2 main reasons. The first is their bodies are still learning how to develope making them more suseptable to the vaccination. The second is children come in contact, on average, with more people in a typical day making the spread of sickness and disease more likely. With most families being dual working families the possibility of a sick child being sent to school is also greater.

Vaccines were originally intended for the poor and uneducated, but when financial gain was seen we were conned and even forced into vaccinations. With medical technology what it is today and our increased knowledge about disease it isnt likely we would die or be permanently effected by more then half of the things we are vaccinated for.

Vaccines have been "unofficially" linked to more sicknesses and diseases then we are guarding against. To add to that the diseases we guard against we are far less likely to get then the diseases linked to vaccinations.


In that case, they're VERY unhealthy, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as them.



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19 Jan 2010, 4:09 pm

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Yes, vaccination should be mandatory, religious and personal beliefs aren't as important as people's safety and health.
You do realize that there are some people who can't take vaccines at all and who don't respond to them, correct? If vaccinations were made compulsory at the federal level, it may do more harm than good. Just because there aren't very many people like that doesn't mean you should have total disregard for them. If such a law was enacted and it allowed for cops or whoever else to kick in your door and pin you down and make you take a shot, and that happens with someone who can't take vaccines either due to a medical condition or because it is unlikely the will respond properly, it will hit the fan. There are also some people who had a reaction to a vaccine and are unsure which one they suffered a reaction to. I know that way back when I was a baby I got a vaccine and suffered a reaction to a vaccine and neither I nor my parents are sure which one it was (I'm 19 now, by the way). So yeah, I don't think making vaccination mandatory under federal law would be such a good idea.


1. I did not say that for that there weren't medical reasons why people shouldn't have shots. I said that personal and religious beliefs are insignificant. Please read more closely.

2. When you or your kids or someone you know gets a disease that could have been easily prevented by getting a vaccine, tell me all about it, I'm all ears.

3. Also, you say that just because "there aren't very many people [who don't vaccinate] doesn't mean that [I] should have total disregard for them", wouldn't the same argument go that they, too, are having "total disregard" for everyone else's health?


Insignificant? How? Because you dont share the same belief? As far as I know people still have the right to do what they want with their own bodies and since their children technically are under the personal care of their parent they are able to make decisions that they feel to be safe for them too. If such things start to become forced for everyone where will it stop? The government should not have control over people bodies, period. Next thing you know you will be forced to donate organs or blood or have C-Sections or hospital births. Its really rediculous to make a statement saying one persons reasons dont measure up to the majority so they are forced to become majority. What if a vaccine to prevent Autism were next and you were forced to take it, whether you wanted to or not. Silly!


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19 Jan 2010, 4:10 pm

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Children must be vaccinated?

I can't believe children are THAT unhealthy.


They are not that unhealthy. vaccinations are given to young children for 2 main reasons. The first is their bodies are still learning how to develope making them more suseptable to the vaccination. The second is children come in contact, on average, with more people in a typical day making the spread of sickness and disease more likely. With most families being dual working families the possibility of a sick child being sent to school is also greater.

Vaccines were originally intended for the poor and uneducated, but when financial gain was seen we were conned and even forced into vaccinations. With medical technology what it is today and our increased knowledge about disease it isnt likely we would die or be permanently effected by more then half of the things we are vaccinated for.

Vaccines have been "unofficially" linked to more sicknesses and diseases then we are guarding against. To add to that the diseases we guard against we are far less likely to get then the diseases linked to vaccinations.


In that case, they're VERY unhealthy, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as them.


Well if you have had your vaccinations then you have nothing to worry about, right?


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19 Jan 2010, 11:39 pm

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Insignificant? How? Because you don't share the same belief? As far as I know people still have the right to do what they want with their own bodies and since their children technically are under the personal care of their parent they are able to make decisions that they feel to be safe for them too. If such things start to become forced for everyone where will it stop? The government should not have control over people bodies, period. Next thing you know you will be forced to donate organs or blood or have C-Sections or hospital births. It's really ridiculous to make a statement saying one persons reasons don't measure up to the majority so they are forced to become majority. What if a vaccine to prevent Autism were next and you were forced to take it, whether you wanted to or not. Silly!
You are right, if it starts with one thing, there is no way of knowing if it will stop there or keep going.


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20 Jan 2010, 3:07 am

I have gotten all my vaccinations. I get the flu jab because I have mild asthma and if I could get the flu it could knock me around a bit.



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20 Jan 2010, 6:03 am

ImNotOk wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
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Children must be vaccinated?

I can't believe children are THAT unhealthy.


They are not that unhealthy. vaccinations are given to young children for 2 main reasons. The first is their bodies are still learning how to develope making them more suseptable to the vaccination. The second is children come in contact, on average, with more people in a typical day making the spread of sickness and disease more likely. With most families being dual working families the possibility of a sick child being sent to school is also greater.

Vaccines were originally intended for the poor and uneducated, but when financial gain was seen we were conned and even forced into vaccinations. With medical technology what it is today and our increased knowledge about disease it isnt likely we would die or be permanently effected by more then half of the things we are vaccinated for.

Vaccines have been "unofficially" linked to more sicknesses and diseases then we are guarding against. To add to that the diseases we guard against we are far less likely to get then the diseases linked to vaccinations.


In that case, they're VERY unhealthy, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as them.


Well if you have had your vaccinations then you have nothing to worry about, right?


I have been a child myself, so I guess you're right about this.



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20 Jan 2010, 9:42 am

I have strong reasons to support vaccinations:

I have a relative who was saved back in the late 1950s due my great-uncle's decision to agree in receiving his son the polio vaccine.

My dad did not want me vaccinated as a kid (due to the paranoia within Aboriginal communities over vaccinations and other health-related stuff, even as recent at the early to mid 1980s). When I was given to my mum after the divorce case, my mum got all my vaccinations up to date. It helped me when I came down with the measles, otherwise it would have been worse.

I had a bad case of pleurisy when I had the flu a few years back. In fact it came close to ending up with pneumonia. I have to get a flu shot for that reason, also had other bad flu cases in the past.



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23 Jan 2010, 1:14 pm

I feel that kids should be vaccinated against the diseases that can cause wide-spread serious problems in the population.

To me, chickenpox and the seasonal flu are not that kind of disease. Yes, it sucks to miss work and feel crappy, but that's a natural part of being alive.

Whereas polio, measles, rubella...all can be really debilitating, and can sweep through a population very quickly doing a lot of damage. People need to look at it not just as protecting their child, but as protecting the population.

If I ever have kids, they will get most of their childhood vaccines...but they will not be receiving flu shots on a yearly basis.



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25 Jan 2010, 9:40 pm

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The sad true is the majority of the American public are think their government gives a sh*t about them. They couldn't care less.


Well to a degree this is true, nearly all decisions are based on whether or not it is profitable, a country shut down by H1N1 certainly is not and therefore the government wants the population vaccinated.

On the issue of safety over a 1/4 of your vaccine stock is coming from CSL in Australia which has a pretty good reputation


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30 Jan 2010, 5:24 pm

Anyone, that would give their child ANY without knowing the risks 100% and everything that they are putting in their child's body, is VERY irresponsible.



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Anyone, that would give their child ANY without knowing the risks 100% and everything that they are putting in their child's body, is VERY irresponsible.
This is correct, most doctors usually don't tell you what is in a vaccine, probably out of fear that if they do then they will not vaccinate their kids, which in turn, may cause those who make money off of them (including physicians/Drs/Pharmaceutical companies) to go bankrupt.


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