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14 Dec 2011, 3:37 pm

^^ Oh well.... I'd need ages to get a such endurance and strength :lol: .



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14 Dec 2011, 5:57 pm

You're best off just trying and seeing what happens. You might surprise yourself.



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15 Dec 2011, 3:44 am

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I am feeling healthier overall, more energetic and my dust allergy became way less frequent.


But I am not changing in shape, not even a bit, is that normal?

I am 58 kg , ~160 cm.


To be honest, don't expect miracle results over a period of 4 months, it could be a number of factors as to why you are not making gains. I was around your weight when I started to working out, I'm now 95 kg at a low body fat percentage and I still want to gain another 10kg, it has definitely built my confidence and given me a better sense of well being.

Nutrition is 80% of the battle when it comes to building your ideal body. You need to be at least consuming 30 grams of protein every two hours and I'd suggest using low fat foods such as Rice, chicken breasts, egg whites and tuna. The best way to find out how many calories you need is to record how many calories you are eating and how much protein you are consuming daily and increase your intake gradually until you find the correct intake for your body to grow. Intensity is also important, if you are not waking up the next morning feeling very sore, you're not training hard enough. Remember that people who are commenting here have different body types so what works for them won't necessarily work for you.

This will help and you don't need to do gymnastics either.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/guides/male ... ding/intro



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15 Dec 2011, 7:25 am

It depends on where you want to go. Within the past six weeks, I stacked on about 6Kg in muscle. It's slowing down now, but that translates to me to +1Kg muscle per week. I only do minimal nutrition supplements, I use protein shakes and creatine, which I ditched after the recommended period of high intake for 5 to 10 days. I cover most my daily calorie intake in veggies and fruits. Something you might want to consider, if you actually do too much. Now, you can read almost any theory on bodybuilding, gaining muscle, losing fat, ect. on the net, and I think all of these work the same, just not the same for everyone. I stuck to the format of doing a "1 day on, 1 day off" workout, with one day doing heavy weightlifting up to exhaustion for about 2 hours, and 1 day recuperation. That works for me. I tried a daily cycle with aspected muscle training, but I realized due to the fact that I do so much other stuff on the evening that I needed one day in between do regenerate. No matter what you do, muscles need time to replenish and build up, and if you tear them down every day without giving them time to rebuild and strengthen, it'll take longer. Another thing that definitely holds true for me is that combining aerobic and anaerobic exercise doesn't go too well. I used to start out with doing both cardio and weights on the same day, but it just uses up too much energy that the body needs for fueling the muscles during the exercises.



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15 Dec 2011, 8:38 am

[quote] You need to be at least consuming 30 grams of protein every two hours and I'd suggest using low fat foods[/quote]

Wtf?

Isn't that ...too much?



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15 Dec 2011, 11:55 am

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You need to be at least consuming 30 grams of protein every two hours


Sorry Wolf but I'm kind of hesitant on this too. I don't know if he's at the training point where he needs that much, I know where you're coming from, I eat 1gr per lb of body weight, and I'm assuming you do too, so you know how tough it can be, you're at like 209lbs or so, so it can be tough. Just personally, I don't usually recommend supplements (And you need to be drinking shakes to get that much protein into your system) until someones been training for 6+ months. He could get away with 100 grams and still put on some size, and that'd be a bit easier for him to consume. Like I said, totally agree, I'm just not sure he needs to be taking in that much protein till he's put on some more mass or he decides to start bodybuilding style training.

Just an opinion I was thinking about.



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15 Dec 2011, 6:58 pm

There's a lot of talk about olympic weight lifting. Is it because his body type is ecto-meso? I've been doing cardio and weight lifting combined and I've seen results. But my body fat percent is very low.

I usually have two or three protein shakes a day, so that's 90G of whey natural protein from just the shakes. Then I'll have carb and protein heavy foods like toast, and fried eggs and peanut butter. I eat like this even on my rest days

If you want to see muscle, like stated earlier - you'll have to go hard on cardio, or restrictive dieting. Then you can start to work on building muscle.

In my expierences, restrictive dieting and cardio are a fast track to losing weight. At first you'll see major changes if your BMI is as high as you say it is. Then you'll gradually begin to lose less weight as time goes on. And then you'll have to increase the weight, and running time of your cardio regiments.

I would begin taking meal supplements. For example a protein shake only for one or two meals until you see major results.



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16 Dec 2011, 12:04 am

I'd say, for now, to start, just go use freeweights. That's all. The rest of this advice I think is getting a bit too ahead of yourself with consuming a ton of protein and routines and whatnot. The reason I told you to pick from Olympic lifting, powerlifting, and bodybuilding is because once you start looking online for routines and advice and whatever, those are sorta the key terms you should know.

The reason gymnastics was brought up was because gymnastics gives you fantastic functional strength unfortunately it's also stupid hard especially to start when you're older. If you go to a gymnastics class now, you'll get stomped by the 5 year olds in the class no problem, if they even have adult gymnastics in your area. But, you are skinny, which you got helping you. http://gymnasticbodies.com/index.php?op ... s&Itemid=3 Read that article, I think you'd agree that if you've grown up in gymnastics, it'd be pretty much the best sport ever to get you a strong upper body that's totally cool looking.

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So if you have the motivation and whatever for gymnastics, and money for coaching, and aren't afraid of being humiliated and probably never going anywhere competitively in the sport, you could get some phenomenal results.

But yeah, just get in the gym, use some freeweights, see what you like, etc. Me personally, I don't like bodybuilding (like in it's modern form), and I was initially put off from weight lifting as I just found doing lots of reps really boring. Then I started squatting to help my skating, found out I could comparatively squat quite a lot, then I started other lifts. Weight lifting went from "that's lame and stupid" to "fine I'll do some squats to help with skating" to finally "this is so cool, I love being strong as hell compared to my peers." But for me, it's not so much the muscle and looks gains I find addictive, it's the strength gains, strength is fun. Like, just carrying grocery bags, I can now carry like a whole shopping cart of groceries in a single trip from the car trunk to my house, I didn't used to be able to do that. So, the reason why I brought up powerlifting, Olympic weight lifting, and bodybuilding was for those reasons. When you do research online, you're gonna have to look at it from those angles.

But for now, just like, try free weights, see what you like, keep doing it. Worry about the rest when you have to. I do think compound lifts are the best, though. I think they're actually really really fun.



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16 Dec 2011, 12:08 am

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There's a lot of talk about olympic weight lifting. Is it because his body type is ecto-meso? I've been doing cardio and weight lifting combined and I've seen results. But my body fat percent is very low.

I usually have two or three protein shakes a day, so that's 90G of whey natural protein from just the shakes. Then I'll have carb and protein heavy foods like toast, and fried eggs and peanut butter. I eat like this even on my rest days

If you want to see muscle, like stated earlier - you'll have to go hard on cardio, or restrictive dieting. Then you can start to work on building muscle.

In my expierences, restrictive dieting and cardio are a fast track to losing weight. At first you'll see major changes if your BMI is as high as you say it is. Then you'll gradually begin to lose less weight as time goes on. And then you'll have to increase the weight, and running time of your cardio regiments.

I would begin taking meal supplements. For example a protein shake only for one or two meals until you see major results.


I think it's less about olympic lifts, more that olympic lifts are compound exercises. It's just a proven fact that working with free weights, squats, deads, bench press, etc. help put on mass quicker. Squats or leg presses are actually proven to cause you're body to go into an anabolic state and release more test and HGH than it usually would. It's basically considered as such, free weights build muscle, machines/isometric exercises tone and hard muscle.

Protein shakes are great, just do research, some like Muscletech have a bunch of sugar in them. I don't know if it's sold outside of Canada yet, but I use Mutant Whey (Cick for link), it's a very solid protein powder, it's not super expensive, low in lactose if you do have lactose problems, not to mention the Vanilla Bean Fusion is like the best protein shake I've tasted ever.

Also I don't mean to contradict you WhiteWidow but unless you're rather overweight to begin with (Say mid 20's BF%), which Boo obviously isn't, it's easier on your body, and will show better results if you do a solid bulk phase (3-6 months) and then go on a cut. Especially if a person hasn't weight lifted regularly before or in along time, cause as I mentioned in one of my previous posts, a person who hasn't lifted before will usually get really good results and put on actual lean muscle mass faster than a person who has been lifting regularly, just cause the formers body has never been tested before. So for Boo to say bulk for a few months, a nice clean bulk, say 500-750 calories more than his maintenance caloric intake, he's going to put on that mass, and yes, some fat, but then he does a nice slow cut, like you mentioned, restrictive diet and cardio (Especially HIIT cardio, this causes less muscle loss), he's going to look completely sick and ripped. If he does a cut to start then a bulk, well, he's going to have to do another cut after, and because he's starting to lift but restricting his diet, less muscle mass. Then when he does a bulk, his bodies already started to adapt to weight training so he might only gain, 50-65% on the lean mass compared to if he had bulked first.

Sorry to go on, I get a little to involved with training and dieting. LOl, sorry.



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16 Dec 2011, 2:21 am

Without wanting to flop out the ol' fanboy, one of the prime examples for functional strength is still Bruce Lee. Just read about him a little on the net, this man, while not exactly having a pumped up bodybuilder physique, was capable of incredibly feats of strength.



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16 Dec 2011, 4:43 am

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Also I don't mean to contradict you WhiteWidow but unless you're rather overweight to begin with (Say mid 20's BF%), which Boo obviously isn't


I thought I saw somewhere someone said 26 BMI, so I assumed they were talking about Boo. My bad.

I really just wanted to help someone out who had a high BMI because I was there before and I know much it sucks, and how awesome it is when you see results faster than you would normally running your ass off.

No offense to you, I don't mean to contradict you either. You're a really smart guy



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16 Dec 2011, 5:54 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Wtf?

Isn't that ...too much?


According to this link, that indicates how many calories and protein you should consume and that is a very reliable source. http://www.bodybuilding.com/guides/male ... /nutrition

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Weight: 130 LBS | KILOS Activity Level: 3-5 times per week
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Recommended Daily Caloric Intake: 2450 Carbs: 245g Protein: 245g Fat: 54g


However I would suggest that you eat 3000-3500 calories to start with and gradually increase the intake as you make more gains. 1 and 1/2 grams of protein is might be what you need considering that you are a hard gainer, some people can make gains from eating a gram of protein, you could try eating 130 grams of protein first and if you don't make any gains, increase your caloric and protein intake.

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You need to be at least consuming 30 grams of protein every two hours


Sorry Wolf but I'm kind of hesitant on this too. I don't know if he's at the training point where he needs that much, I know where you're coming from, I eat 1gr per lb of body weight, and I'm assuming you do too, so you know how tough it can be, you're at like 209lbs or so, so it can be tough. Just personally, I don't usually recommend supplements (And you need to be drinking shakes to get that much protein into your system) until someones been training for 6+ months. He could get away with 100 grams and still put on some size, and that'd be a bit easier for him to consume. Like I said, totally agree, I'm just not sure he needs to be taking in that much protein till he's put on some more mass or he decides to start bodybuilding style training.

Just an opinion I was thinking about.


I tend to go by the 1 and 1/2 grams of protein per lb when it comes to bulking as suggested by bodybuilding.com and I have found that generally works, I'm not saying it is necessary for everyone to consume that much protein, I think people should find out what diet and protein intake works best for them.

You can easily get rich sources of protein from meat and chicken, one chicken breast has around 20-25 grams of protein in it and it is easy to digest, 3 pieces of chicken is 75 grams. I also suggest that protein should be eaten throughout the day is because the body is more likely to be able to absorb it easier.



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16 Dec 2011, 10:49 am

I don't know, 245 grams of protein sounds a bit like "broscience" to me. That sounds like kidney stones to me.

I say for now, play with the freeweights, and you'll pretty much naturally be hungrier, like a lot lot hungrier, and when you're hungrier, make sure you get more protein, whatever forms it may be.



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18 Dec 2011, 4:13 am

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I don't know, 245 grams of protein sounds a bit like "broscience" to me. That sounds like kidney stones to me.

I say for now, play with the freeweights, and you'll pretty much naturally be hungrier, like a lot lot hungrier, and when you're hungrier, make sure you get more protein, whatever forms it may be.


Lol bro science

He's right. I eat like a horse, I think I'm gaining weight from doing it but I haven't seen any fat gain, just muscle gain thus far. Those 21's dude. Do em. seriously.



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19 Dec 2011, 5:22 am

NO NO NO NO NO N O NO NO NO!! !

THAT SUPID "STUDY" THAT SO-CALLED "PROVES" THAT ONE CAN ONLY DIGEST 30 GRAMS OF PROTEIN AT A TIME

WAS DONE ON HOUSECATS

Humans can digest more, and NO

IT WILL NOT LEAD TO KIDNEY FAILURE!! !

f*****g urban myths, man.

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NO NO NO NO NO N O NO NO NO!! !

THAT SUPID "STUDY" THAT SO-CALLED "PROVES" THAT ONE CAN ONLY DIGEST 30 GRAMS OF PROTEIN AT A TIME

WAS DONE ON HOUSECATS

Humans can digest more, and NO

IT WILL NOT LEAD TO KIDNEY FAILURE!! !

f*****g urban myths, man.

(sorry that one just gets under my tits for REAL)

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Seriously, though – the notion that eating more than 0.3g protein per pound of bodyweight (which appears to be how your teacher came to her conclusion) will definitively harm human kidney function leaves me dumbfounded. I’m reminded of the time I had to take Buddha in for a quick checkup at an unfamiliar vet and the woman examining him mentioned that I’d probably want to switch him to a low-protein diet or risk certain renal failure. Because, you know, the kidneys of dogs, close relative of the carnivorous wolf, are unable to process all that meat and protein. It’s ridiculous on its face, and rather than waste a lot of space debunking what Dr. Eades calls one of the “Vampire Myths” (it just won’t die; get it?), I’ll just link to a few papers that have already done so.

There’s this one from the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition, a massive review of the evidence in favor of and in opposition to the AHA’s weasel warnings about “high protein diets,” namely, that people who engage in such risky behaviors as limiting carbs and increasing protein “are [at] risk for … potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.” Long story short: there’s far more evidence in opposition to the claim than evidence in favor of it. The AHA recommendations are at best incorrect and at worst deliberately misleading, and the sum of the actual evidence points to protein as being protective against heart disease, osteoporosis, kidney disease, and liver problems – all things protein is supposed to initiate or worsen.

Another review, this time focusing strictly on whether or not protein intake can precipitate kidney disease in healthy people, is even better. I mean, that’s the important thing, isn’t it? If we want to exonerate or condemn protein, we must study its effects on healthy kidneys. We have to see if it creates problems rather than potentially worsens them. And, according to the exhaustive analysis of Martin et al, there exists no evidence that protein intake negatively influences renal health in otherwise healthy, active individuals. There is some evidence that already impaired renal function might worsen with increased protein, but the experts, as is their wont, can’t resist applying the same recommendations to everyone, regardless of renal health. The result is a nutrition teacher sowing misinformation across the student body in an introductory course, i.e. one that is intended to establish foundational knowledge that the students will carry on through life as a cornerstone of their thinking.

Simply put, healthy kidneys can handle plenty of protein; heck, they are meant to handle protein. One of their primary functions is to process the metabolic waste that results from protein metabolism. Yeah, protein “works” the kidneys, but that’s what they’re there for! Strength training works the muscles. You might even say it strains them. But is that a problem? Compromised kidneys in patients with renal disease (either full-blown or still in development) may not be able to handle as much protein as healthy kidneys, but even that’s up in the air – and protein is not the cause of the problem.

So what causes kidney disease, if not too many deck of cards-sized pieces of deadly animal protein in the diet?

The top two conditions responsible for chronic kidney disease (CKD) are, respectively, diabetes (45% of CKD cases) and hypertension, or high blood pressure.”Even” the Wikipedia entry on renal failure fails to mention “excess protein in the diet” as a cause (even potentially) of CKD. If you have CKD, chances are fairly high that you’re either diabetic, hypertensive, or both.

You know what’s even better? High-protein diets, when compared to the high-carb diet commonly recommended, improve glucose tolerance and blood sugar control in type 2 diabetics without changing kidney function. And, since type 2 diabetes often leads to CKD and is characterized partly by poor glucose tolerance and blood sugar control, you might even say that eating more protein is actually protective against renal failure.

As for hypertension, the latest systematic review concludes that more protein in the diet seems to correlate with lower, or at least normalized, blood pressure in humans. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything definitive, but it’s certainly interesting, and it doesn’t support the standard position.

Of course! Anyway, unless it’ll compromise your grade in the class, I’d speak up about it. Engage your teacher, for without disagreement, especially when warranted, there can be no progress. At the very least, defend your stance, perhaps wielding the aforementioned papers, and by all means: don’t feel the need to limit yourself to 38 grams of protein per day! While that may be adequate – that is, you’ll live – you definitely have room for more.

You need protein for a number of reasons:

It’s required for good skeletal health; contrary to what many vegetarians will scream, animal protein doesn’t leach calcium from the bones, leading to osteoporosis. In fact, inadequate protein intake is a huge risk for the debilitating bone disease.

It provides amino acids, which play multiple roles in the human body. They act as building blocks for most bodily structures, including hair, organs, skin, and muscles. Using amino acids, we build new tissue and repair damaged tissue. Lifting weights “damages” muscle tissue; we repair the damage with amino acids. Amino acids also act as precursors to hormones and neurotransmitters, like serotonin (the amino acid tryptophan) and dopamine (the amino acid tyrosine).

It’s good for quality of life, especially in the later years where folks are more susceptible to skeletal muscle wasting. You try keeping up with your grandkids while experiencing severe systemic muscle atrophy!

It’s good for satiety. Younger and older men eating 1g protein per kg of bodyweight had greater satiation than similarly aged men eating either 0.75g/kg or 0.5g/kg, and they reported a superior ability to stick to an eating plan.

(Animal protein is best, of course. A recent study found that due to reduced bioavailability of plant protein, vegetarians should probably increase their total protein intake to make up for the deficiency.)

Most people don’t need a ton of protein. If asked, I say I eat roughly 1 gram per pound of bodyweight, but it’s not something I’m militant about and I’m no longer hitting the weights like I used to. I just eat to satiety. Since it’s a satiating macronutrient, I find there’s a natural, relatively organic limit to how much pure protein I even want. Lean chicken breasts? I’m lucky if I can get through a whole one. A nice juicy grass-fed ribeye festooned with fat? I’m licking the plate.

Other people will need more protein. Highly active athletes, Crossfitters, powerlifters, folks trying to gain mass and strength, folks trying to lose a bunch of weight – they all can benefit from an increased protein intake, either by increasing satiety (thus improving diet adherence) or providing amino acids for muscle recovery and repair. One gram or protein per pound of lean body mass is a good average number to shoot for over a range of a few days.




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