Were you physically fit as a teenager?

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Hah, it's the same for me as a child, but I got into weightlifting big time by like 14, so I'm in *decent* shape. Trying to get stronger.

Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.



Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others.



Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel?

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How is it possible that something that works for me does not work for you? LIES

Junior year I got in really good shape, did wrestling. I was a little underweight but I always have been, genetic. After that season I got depressed and lost a lot of muscle, but retained some, so my "base" is better than it used to be. Got in decent shape, then went down to my base. And now I am on an upswing again Hopefully I won't have a downturn.

People seem to think human weight is some magical exception to the incredible diversity we can observe in all aspects of biological life.
Why wouldn't they? If everyone was happy with their bodies, there would be no potential for profit.

The laws of thermodynamics are the same eveywhere. Being "obese" isn't something you are just because of your genetics; it's a lifetyle choice where you don't adapt your diet to your metabolism and activity level. Most respected doctors agree with me




The vast majority of doctors will tell that you're at your healthiest within your ideal range of bodyfat. hence, the only chimpanzees who are even slightly plump are alpha males or females, as they are the ones who get to choose the food first.



Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.

Fat people either exercise to little or et too much.

Couldn't the opposite be said for people who are too skinny? If you are skinny just eat more. Well seeing as how my mom, me, and my brother are all skinny and me and my brother eat a lot I don't take much stock into that

Depends on how skinny. You can still be skinny and carry a body fat percentage of 15, if you have low muscle mass and a small frame.

how about 120lbs at 5ft 11, that is just speculated though, I think that is what my brother used to weight (he might have been a little shorter though), he probably weights a bit more now. I used to weight 128 at 5ft 11. I had more muscle than him. Highest I have ever weighed was 142. I was told by my grandpa when I asked that I probably have a medium frame, as is probably obvious me and my brother have a similar build.

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Again: Lifestyle choice. You're not eating enough for your activity level and metabolism. Several bodybuilders used to have a siilar build before they started eating more.

oh my gosh... I eat a lot, I do not go above 140

I mean I might after a while, I am exercising fairly regularly right now and trying to eat good.

But do not try to tell me that I am starving myself, if I want to gain weight to a "normal amount" I would have to eat a lot more than most people would. I used to weigh 128. I tried eating more and gained a wopping 4 pounds. I added half a gallon of milk and 2 protein bars to my diet for about 4-5 months (extra 1000 calories or so). I was working at about every other day and gained 12 pounds over that time. after 3 weeks of not gaining more I stopped with the protien bars and extra milk and dropped to a steady 138.

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the obesity paradox is a phenomenon whereby 25 to 30% of obese people are as healthy as "normal" people, with no additional health risks. in some cases these obese people actually become unhealthy after weight loss supervised by a doctor. and being overweight and obese actually makes some women LESS prone to die of certain diseases (and hence live longer).

you can't simply state that "Obesity makes a woman less healthy" because it isn't true. for some women it is the case, and for others it is not.

How is what you just said not sexist?

Well, yes. There are unfit people at either side of the obesity divide, but there is no way an obese person is going to out-perform somone who is fit and isn't obese unless it's eating or sweating, or being a bit weird and delusional.

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How's your diet, Charles? I'd trade a testicle to be that lean.

I've played around with various eating habits, and found that what works best FOR ME (might be wrong for others), is a huge breakfast (4-5 egg whites), and 2 cups of oat meal with raw walnuts and cinnamon (plain old oat meal; no sugar and flavors added). A medium sized lunch, with red meat or poultry, and a very small early dinner. I drink two 1500-calorie whey protein shakes on workout days, to basically make 5 meals. The way my body works, I get fat if I eat fewer than 5 times a day, no matter how small the meals. At 5, my body figures that I'm with a limitless supply of food, so it doesn't try to store anything as fat. It took years and years of trial and error, and of learning to totally ignore all "professional" dietary advice. At least that's how I made it all work for me.

Charles

This is me, taken last week. I haven't had body fat measured accurately in 6 months, but I'm pretty good at estimating it based on how many veins show up on my abs. At 10%, there are none, and at 6-7, there are two big ones, and at 5%, there are a dozen more .

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Well, there's some exceptions, but they're all super heavyweight powerlifters and Olympic lifters. Besides, obese is according to the BMI, if I got to be 230lbs of muscle, I'd be "obese" too, even if it was 5% bodyfat. But for an example, Shane Hamman, 350lb super heavyweight Olympic lifter/powerlifter, can do a standing backflip. http://liftup.chidlovski.net/liftup/ima ... /b1448.jpg That's him. Also, most of the record setters in weightlifting have at least a tad extra bodyfat. Oddly, the old WR for the clean and jerk was skinnier than Hossein Rezazadeh, of Iran, who looks like this:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 59898i.jpg
The old world record holder (whose record got erased because they wanted to get rid of the old Soviet records, but is still the *real* world record) was Leonid Taraneko, who looked like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQZjC7cNbyE


So hyperlexian has a point, but speaking in generalities, no it's not healthy to be fat. I mean yes, you could be a genetic freak who's fat and strong as a bull and an Olympic lifter/powerlifter/shotputter/other track and field athlete, and make that mass work for you and still be reasonably/very healthy, but most people are fat from simply sitting on their computers too much and eating crap. So I mean, I understand your points hyperlexian, as I'm involved in athletic pursuits that sometimes do work out like that, BUT, for the normal person, who's not a weightlifter, or a track and field athlete, or hell, even someone who works on a farm or something, it's not good to have extra bodyfat on you.

As for becoming unhealthy losing weight, well, there's multiple reasons why that can occur. One theory I know is that one reason your body gets fat is to store toxins it can't get rid of. When you lose fat, your body has to get rid of the toxins, which is often why people report feelings really bad while losing weight. The other reason, though, is probably because doctors don't usually know jack about nutrition. I've had doctors recommend my mother to have a diet of white rice and chicken broth to lose weight. SO HEALTHY. So in cases where doctors give crappy diet advice like that, yes, you're gonna come out unhealthier than before.

My experience losing weight, I went from 215 to 180lbs in about 4 months, I ice skated everyday, did like 3x a week an hour of punching bag work, and dieted in sorta a low carb kinda manner. My blood pressure went from 150/90, with a 90s pulse, to 130/60 and pulse in the 80s. Now, I started weightlifting, got during the winter to 200lbs, now I'm at 195, and my blood pressure is 117/60, with a 70s pulse. I'm guessing most of the weight I gained was muscle, but yeah.

So yes, hyperlexian, you have a point, but I do not think for most people it's good to justify being overweight, as for most people, it is unhealthy.