12 Nov 2012, 5:14 pm
13 Nov 2012, 6:14 pm
Why do we need gmo's anway, didn't they say we would starve by now back in the day ? 
13 Nov 2012, 11:07 pm
13 Nov 2012, 11:23 pm
aussiebloke wrote:
Why do we need gmo's anway, didn't they say we would starve by now back in the day ?
Some plants are GM'ed to resist diseases and pests. Some plants are GM'ed to produce more nutrients, more seeds, or bigger fruit. Other plants are GM'ed to make them grow in colder or drier environments (tundras and deserts).
GM'ing takes place in a shorter time than would be possible with human-guided evolution, and the outcome is much more certain.
If foods are to have the GMO label, then any food that contains GM'ed ingredients (cereals, sodas, or "junk food") or that is produced from GM'ed ingredients (beer, cheese, wine, milk, and meat products) should carry the GMO label.
Prop 37 would not have forced California wine-makers to label their wines produced from GM'ed grapes, nor would it have forced California meat, egg, and cheese producers to label their products if the animals they came from were raised on GM'ed grains.
No ... Prop 37 was designed to force Californians to by more California-made meat, eggs, cheeses, fruits vegetables and wines by putting that big, bad GMO label on imported and "fast" foods, as well as and frozen dinners and prepared foods made anywhere.
I'd have voted for it if it had been written to apply equally to everyone, everywhere, and all of the time.
I mean, come on! There was no reason for dog food to receive a GMO label, when California meat and milk products from cows raised on GM'ed grain was exempted!
14 Nov 2012, 7:20 am
14 Nov 2012, 11:45 am
16 Nov 2012, 9:17 pm
Fnord wrote:
Some plants are GM'ed to resist diseases and pests. Some plants are GM'ed to produce more nutrients, more seeds, or bigger fruit. Other plants are GM'ed to make them grow in colder or drier environments (tundras and deserts).
Yeah, they are GM'ed to resist pests by, for example, making them contain pesticides in the DNA (for those who want to learn more, check up about "Roundup Ready" crops ("RR")). Through this method, the plants also can be sprayed with these very hazardous glyphosates without dying, while all other plants, including weeds, *will* die, and same for pests. Then *you* will eat this plant with, among other things, pesticides added *into* the DNA, that *also* has been sprayed with pesticides, afterwards, and the beyond important, pollinating bees will also get exposed to it, which is part of, if not *the* reason to why the bees have started to die, in the U.S. No bees = no pollination = almost no fruits and berries, and almost no crops at all left in existence. What Fnord seems to support is a practice that is going to wipe out almost all life, in the long-term (which possibly may not even be such a long time, at all).
As for nutrients - are you kidding, or what? What happened to simple, natural crossing of species, that has been taking place for eons, as well as through practices such as the findings of Gregor Mendel? It takes "too long" - is that it? Are people that impatient to have foods of higher quality, that they rather prefer companies such as Monsanto to create the food for them (that they, by the way, put patents on, and are illegal to grow again, from the seeds (a form of copyright infringement))? A company that happens to not just be behind these poisonous crops, but also DDT, PCB and Agent Orange, to name just a few horrible things. And let me remind you of that the old type of wheat - spelt - that nature itself brought into existence, is far more nutritious and otherwise healthy than the commonly used wheat. Just one example, obviously. It's quite surprising how poorly read you are on this subject, yet try make yourself seem so knowledgeable. I think I know why that is, though.
Fnord wrote:
GM'ing takes place in a shorter time than would be possible with human-guided evolution, and the outcome is much more certain.
Ohh, much more certain!! I guess *that* is why rats that eat Monsanto's GMO crops develop enormous tumours, and why hamsters become sterile and get hairgrowth inside their mouths (or maybe that is the professionally calculated aim of this monstrously evil industry - who knows)? Links:
Russia bans all GM corn products after French rat study (EU may follow):
www.naturalnews.com/037328_Russia_GMO_Monsanto.html
Hamsters growing hair inside their mouths, and becoming sterile, from eating Monsanto's GM soy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... 44575.html
Also, quote from an article I linked to, before (link):
Quote:
All along, genetic modification has been based on a theory called the CentralDogma, which asserts that one gene will express one protein, and thus an organism’s genome — its total complement of DNA genes — should fully account for its unique pattern of inherited traits.
However, the Human Genome Research Project determined that this theory was not true.
/.../
Instead, they found that genes operate in a complex network in ways that are still not fully understood. There are far too few human genes to account for the complexity of our inherited traits or for the vast inherited differences between plants — and particularly the animals or bacteria or viruses with which they are being genetically manipulated.*
However, the Human Genome Research Project determined that this theory was not true.
/.../
Instead, they found that genes operate in a complex network in ways that are still not fully understood. There are far too few human genes to account for the complexity of our inherited traits or for the vast inherited differences between plants — and particularly the animals or bacteria or viruses with which they are being genetically manipulated.*
In other words, contrary to Fnord's claims, it is *anything but* certain.
Fnord wrote:
I'd have voted for it if it had been written to apply equally to everyone, everywhere, and all of the time.
Really, now? You seem to have chosen sides already, from the look of it. Even a poorly constructed law would've made a difference. Now, Californians stand with nothing. If this law was so worthless for those who want to avoid GMO, then would you please care to explain why the GMO industry put so much money into the no campaign (over 40 million dollars)? Because they knew it would've mattered, just like it, so far, has in Europe (but unfortunately, that took a very worrisome turn in 2010).
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
One could argue that everything is genetically modified. Evolution genetically modifies stuff. To be alive is to be genetically modified.
One could, but one would be incorrect. Most of the methods used by the GMO industry are impossible by nature to perform by itself. Additionally, it has been proven that genetics do not function like bricks of Lego, which is the method the GM industry utilizes.
More links about the matter:
Council for Responsible Genetics statement in reply to the AAAS board statement against the labelling of genetically engineered foods:
www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/b ... Foods.aspx
Further, complete disagreement with the AAAS from a Swedish professor on sciences of human health, and twenty other international scientists (in Swedish - use Google Translate, or similar, to read):
https://www.kau.se/om-universitetet/akt ... ning/10957
What foods to avoid, with a lack of GMO labelling:
www.coloradoan.com/article/20121110/COL ... ck_check=1
The death of the bees:
www.globalresearch.ca/death-of-the-bees ... rica/25950
www.geardiary.com/2012/04/24/monsanto-a ... hide-ills/
Genetic Roulette movie (have not seen it myself, but it has been recommended):
http://online.www.geneticroulettemovie.com/
Growing Doubt movie (quote from the top of the page: "26 genetically engineered crops are currently being considered for approval in the European Union. 19 out of these 26 are genetically engineered to be tolerant to herbicides."):
www.greenpeace.org/international/en/cam ... ing-Doubt/
50 percent increase of soy allergies, in the UK, a year after the introduction of GM soy:
http://todayyesterdayandtomorrow.wordpr ... deception/
Excerpt:
Quote:
An infant girl in England broke out in cold sores from drinking soymilk, but was tested as “not allergic” to normal soy. Was she allergic to something in GM soy instead? Perhaps it was the increased amount of the allergen-trypsin inhibitor-found in Monsanto’s Roundup Ready soybeans? Could this also explain why soy allergies in the UK jumped by 50 percent after Roundup Ready soy was introduced? It’s difficult to say, because although scientists have confirmed that deadly allergies can be transferred into foods via genetic engineering, there are no robust allergy tests done on GM foods. This was brought to the public’s attention only after StarLink had been blamed for severe, potentially fatal allergic reactions. It took the FDA nearly a year to develop a test to see if StarLink was allergenic. The test was so poorly designed and unreliable, even the EPA rejected the results.
Excerpts:
In March 1999, the York Nutritional Laboratory, Europe’s leading specialists on food sensitivity, reported that soy allergies skyrocketed over the previous year, jumping 50 percent. The increase propelled soy into the top ten list of allergens for the first time in the 17 years of testing. York scientists tested 4,500 people for allergic reactions to a wide range of foods. In previous years, soy affected 10 percent of consumers. Now, 15 percent reacted with a range of chronic illnesses, including irritable bowel syndrome, digestion problems, and skin complaints, as well as neurological problems, chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches and lethargy. Researchers confirmed the link with soy by detecting increased levels of antibodies in the blood. Furthermore, the soy tested in the study was likely to contain significant percentages of the genetically modified Roundup Ready variety.
The fact that GM soy had just entered the food supply was not lost to the researchers, who, according to the Daily Express, “said their findings provide real evidence that GM food could have a tangible, harmful impact on the human body.” A spokesman said, “We believe this raises serious new questions about the safety of GM foods.”
The British Medical Association had already “warned that the technology may lead to the emergence of new allergies.” With the York’s research in hand, now British scientists urged their government to impose an immediate ban on GM food until further testing evaluated their safety. Pathologist Michael Antoniou said that the increased allergic responses “points to the fact that far more work is needed to assess their safety. At the moment no allergy tests are carried out before GM foods are marketed.”
At a business lunch with co-workers, 35-year-old Grace Booth dined on three chicken enchiladas. Within about fifteen minutes, however, something went wrong. She felt hot, itchy. Her lips swelled; she lost her voice and developed severe diarrhea. “I felt my chest getting tight, it was hard to breathe,” recalled Booth. “She didn’t know but she was going into shock,” reported CBS news. “I thought, oh my God, what is happening to me? I felt like I was going to die.” Her co-workers called an ambulance.
Grace Booth didn’t know what had caused her near deadly allergic reaction. But this was September 2000 and within a few days she heard the news. A genetically modified corn product called StarLink, a potential allergen not approved for human consumption, was discovered in tacos, tortillas, and other corn products. More than 300 items were eventually recalled from the grocery store shelves in what was to become one of the world’s biggest GM food debacles.
Excerpts:
In March 1999, the York Nutritional Laboratory, Europe’s leading specialists on food sensitivity, reported that soy allergies skyrocketed over the previous year, jumping 50 percent. The increase propelled soy into the top ten list of allergens for the first time in the 17 years of testing. York scientists tested 4,500 people for allergic reactions to a wide range of foods. In previous years, soy affected 10 percent of consumers. Now, 15 percent reacted with a range of chronic illnesses, including irritable bowel syndrome, digestion problems, and skin complaints, as well as neurological problems, chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches and lethargy. Researchers confirmed the link with soy by detecting increased levels of antibodies in the blood. Furthermore, the soy tested in the study was likely to contain significant percentages of the genetically modified Roundup Ready variety.
The fact that GM soy had just entered the food supply was not lost to the researchers, who, according to the Daily Express, “said their findings provide real evidence that GM food could have a tangible, harmful impact on the human body.” A spokesman said, “We believe this raises serious new questions about the safety of GM foods.”
The British Medical Association had already “warned that the technology may lead to the emergence of new allergies.” With the York’s research in hand, now British scientists urged their government to impose an immediate ban on GM food until further testing evaluated their safety. Pathologist Michael Antoniou said that the increased allergic responses “points to the fact that far more work is needed to assess their safety. At the moment no allergy tests are carried out before GM foods are marketed.”
At a business lunch with co-workers, 35-year-old Grace Booth dined on three chicken enchiladas. Within about fifteen minutes, however, something went wrong. She felt hot, itchy. Her lips swelled; she lost her voice and developed severe diarrhea. “I felt my chest getting tight, it was hard to breathe,” recalled Booth. “She didn’t know but she was going into shock,” reported CBS news. “I thought, oh my God, what is happening to me? I felt like I was going to die.” Her co-workers called an ambulance.
Grace Booth didn’t know what had caused her near deadly allergic reaction. But this was September 2000 and within a few days she heard the news. A genetically modified corn product called StarLink, a potential allergen not approved for human consumption, was discovered in tacos, tortillas, and other corn products. More than 300 items were eventually recalled from the grocery store shelves in what was to become one of the world’s biggest GM food debacles.
More on StarLink:
www.organicconsumers.org/ge/starlinkeverywhere.cfm
Please, all people reading this (except some, obviously), spread this information around to everyone you know! There is no time to lose. :/
23 Nov 2012, 12:25 am
27 Nov 2012, 9:15 pm
| Similar Topics | |
|---|---|
| Food industry lies |
14 Jan 2025, 8:55 am |
| How to break into the video game industry as a career? |
28 Jan 2025, 5:31 pm |
| Intro New Foods |
30 Nov 2024, 6:20 pm |
| What would tech look like if Aspies ran the tech industry? |
28 Nov 2024, 3:48 pm |
