Thoughts on organic diet vs gluten free?

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24 Apr 2020, 10:17 am

Cooking your own food allows you to omit any problem ingredients.

I think a lot of food is unpalatable because it isn't cooked as well as it could have.



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24 Apr 2020, 10:20 am

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... As far as I'm concerned, anybody who wastes their time hectoring others about what they should eat or do with their personal life is an a***hole.
Hmm ... I wonder if I can sic HR on the co-worker who criticizes my choice of microwaveable burritos...


Tell HR you have an eating disorder and you're being discriminated against :P

It's a sad world if adults need HR to understand basic manners and boundaries :(


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24 Apr 2020, 10:22 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
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... As far as I'm concerned, anybody who wastes their time hectoring others about what they should eat or do with their personal life is an a***hole.
Hmm ... I wonder if I can sic HR on the co-worker who criticizes my choice of microwaveable burritos...
Tell HR you have an eating disorder and you're being discriminated against.  It's a sad world if adults need HR to understand basic manners and boundaries.
It's also sad that a simple "F**** OFF!" is ineffective against certain co-workers.


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24 Apr 2020, 10:27 am

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Cooking your own food allows you to omit any problem ingredients.

I think a lot of food is unpalatable because it isn't cooked as well as it could have.


I agree, lack of quality ingredients and cooking skills make for a huge portion of people's hatred for certain foodstuffs, particularly veggies and textures.

Experimenting with different cooking techniques and spices is a great way of discovering that even the most maligned ingredients can become at least palatable if not great :thumright: Both myself and my kids eat now things that we were convinced we hate with a vengeance and actually enjoy them :lol:


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24 Apr 2020, 10:32 am

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Good gluten development is essential for making quality dough and a tasty finished product.

Most people have no problems with gluten and I can tolerate it in moderation, especially if I make my own stuff from quality ingredients.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who wastes their time hectoring others about what they should eat or do with their personal life is an a***hole :twisted:


Including so-called Nutritionists. They're full of rubbish and don't know what they're talking about (From my personal experience with two: One was a friend of a friend, the other paid for). If you want diet advice, ask a dietician. They are qualified and not filled with candida diet nonsense. I had a nutritionist lecture me about diet even though she made assumptions about certain foods (i.e. That all Waitrose branded food wouldn't have additives in them) cos she was arrogant. She kept forgetting what allergies I had and sent me recipes including them as part of the main ingredients. She also told me, "I don't know what autism is but it's no excuse for you not to work". She never "cured" me of my "candida". It turned out in the end my bad eczema was an allergic reaction to eggs, not candida like both nutritionists said.

Rant over. :D


Had to inform sister-in-law if these types of issues regarding her little boy: she was getting frustrated with the length of time the due process as conducted by a dietician and a paediatric gastroenterologist was taking and was searching online for something quicker... had to tell her too shut her wallet and run away when she asked me what I thought of a site that purported to be able to diagnose any and every food allergy from a pinprick of blood (for a hefty fee of course) 8O



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24 Apr 2020, 10:49 am

I visited California and had really good Mexican food. It was cheap too. If they can sell cheap tasty Mexican food, why does it taste so bad at expensive restaurants?



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24 Apr 2020, 10:56 am

Karamazov wrote:
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BenderRodriguez wrote:
Good gluten development is essential for making quality dough and a tasty finished product.

Most people have no problems with gluten and I can tolerate it in moderation, especially if I make my own stuff from quality ingredients.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who wastes their time hectoring others about what they should eat or do with their personal life is an a***hole :twisted:


Including so-called Nutritionists. They're full of rubbish and don't know what they're talking about (From my personal experience with two: One was a friend of a friend, the other paid for). If you want diet advice, ask a dietician. They are qualified and not filled with candida diet nonsense. I had a nutritionist lecture me about diet even though she made assumptions about certain foods (i.e. That all Waitrose branded food wouldn't have additives in them) cos she was arrogant. She kept forgetting what allergies I had and sent me recipes including them as part of the main ingredients. She also told me, "I don't know what autism is but it's no excuse for you not to work". She never "cured" me of my "candida". It turned out in the end my bad eczema was an allergic reaction to eggs, not candida like both nutritionists said.

Rant over. :D


Had to inform sister-in-law if these types of issues regarding her little boy: she was getting frustrated with the length of time the due process as conducted by a dietician and a paediatric gastroenterologist was taking and was searching online for something quicker... had to tell her too shut her wallet and run away when she asked me what I thought of a site that purported to be able to diagnose any and every food allergy from a pinprick of blood (for a hefty fee of course) 8O


I'll be honest here: I don't know how those allergy tests work. My sister had allergy testing when she was little (Her allergies were so bad at one point, all she could eat was potato, and even had a birthday "cake" made out of potato). I've never received allergy tests, but since mine are food related I was just told to keep a food diary. The proper way to do it is to eat a basic, very plain food like plain boiled white rice. Then one at a time, every 24 hours introduce one food at a time that is only one ingredient.

What happened with your sister-in-law's son in the end?


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24 Apr 2020, 11:12 am

smudge wrote:
Karamazov wrote:
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BenderRodriguez wrote:
Good gluten development is essential for making quality dough and a tasty finished product.

Most people have no problems with gluten and I can tolerate it in moderation, especially if I make my own stuff from quality ingredients.

As far as I'm concerned, anybody who wastes their time hectoring others about what they should eat or do with their personal life is an a***hole :twisted:


Including so-called Nutritionists. They're full of rubbish and don't know what they're talking about (From my personal experience with two: One was a friend of a friend, the other paid for). If you want diet advice, ask a dietician. They are qualified and not filled with candida diet nonsense. I had a nutritionist lecture me about diet even though she made assumptions about certain foods (i.e. That all Waitrose branded food wouldn't have additives in them) cos she was arrogant. She kept forgetting what allergies I had and sent me recipes including them as part of the main ingredients. She also told me, "I don't know what autism is but it's no excuse for you not to work". She never "cured" me of my "candida". It turned out in the end my bad eczema was an allergic reaction to eggs, not candida like both nutritionists said.

Rant over. :D


Had to inform sister-in-law if these types of issues regarding her little boy: she was getting frustrated with the length of time the due process as conducted by a dietician and a paediatric gastroenterologist was taking and was searching online for something quicker... had to tell her too shut her wallet and run away when she asked me what I thought of a site that purported to be able to diagnose any and every food allergy from a pinprick of blood (for a hefty fee of course) 8O


I'll be honest here: I don't know how those allergy tests work. My sister had allergy testing when she was little (Her allergies were so bad at one point, all she could eat was potato, and even had a birthday "cake" made out of potato). I've never received allergy tests, but since mine are food related I was just told to keep a food diary. The proper way to do it is to eat a basic, very plain food like plain boiled white rice. Then one at a time, every 24 hours introduce one food at a time that is only one ingredient.

What happened with your sister-in-law's son in the end?


Yeah, that was the process he went through: the final conclusion was that a viral stomach infection at the same time as his parents marriage imploding spectacularly (high stress for a three year old) had led to issues digesting wheat, dairy and absorbing iron from his food.
He’s had a gradual reintroduction process planned out by the specialists for the wheat & dairy and has a big jar of the kiddies gummy bears that are really dietary supplements for the iron issue.



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27 Apr 2020, 6:48 am

Thanks for the replies all!
However I seem to have fallen at the first hurdle as the supermarket didn't have any organic bread.
And I'm too realistic to think I'm going to regularly bake my own.
I might have to seek out a specialty shop for it.



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27 Apr 2020, 8:14 am

organic (adj): relating to, being, or dealt with by a branch of chemistry concerned with the carbon compounds of living beings and most other carbon compounds.

So ... what you're saying is that you need bread made from silicon ... ?

:wink: Cue the obvious pun...


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27 Apr 2020, 8:30 am

:lol:

It’s all about where you put the emphasis.



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27 Apr 2020, 8:35 am

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... And I'm too realistic to think I'm going to regularly bake my own...
It's easy. I've baked a couple of loaves each weekend since the middle of March.


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27 Apr 2020, 8:53 am

MrsPeel wrote:
Thanks for the replies all!
However I seem to have fallen at the first hurdle as the supermarket didn't have any organic bread.
And I'm too realistic to think I'm going to regularly bake my own.
I might have to seek out a specialty shop for it.


Then I think all of your dietary needs will be solved if you buy a loaf of organic bread. Good luck with your complex task. It's just a maze having to locate such wild purchases isn't it?


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27 Apr 2020, 9:57 am

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Aroma-6-Cup- ... e/35745709

Walmart has a 6 cup automatic rice cooker for $17. Once you figure out exactly how much rice and water to put in it is is pretty easy to use.



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27 Apr 2020, 10:06 am

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I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who's tried gluten free and/or organic diets and your opinions on my thought bubble.

Bear with me with a little background?

Every now and then, when I've been having a hard time with illness and mental health and seemingly escalating autistic issues, I ponder whether there might be a dietary solution. The trouble is, I'm really not one to engage in diets (especially the strict types that cut out whole food groups). It's a combination of lacking time and energy, the need to cook meals acceptable to my kids, plus a natural skepticism as to whether benefits are anything more than a placebo effect. Plus, you know, coffee and doughnuts.

Anyway, I was feeling bad enough to consider what would be involved in cutting gluten (often mentioned as an autism treatment for kids) - but it all seemed so hard. No wheat, rye, oats, bread, pasta, biscuits... Besides which, it always seems a bit weird that so many of us should be suffering from gluten sensitivities, when our forebears had no such issues - and our cultural cuisine was based on a 'healthy' dose of daily bread.

With a bit of reading and further consideration, I'm wondering if the main culprit might in fact be pesticide residues? Isn't it the case that a lot of pesticides act as neurotoxins? Nowadays we know that the gut is like a 'second brain' and produces even more neurotransmitters, so it's easy to imagine that pesticide residues in food might affect it badly. Are these the root cause of the modern malady of 'leaky gut', which is allowing those nasty glutens and caseins into our systems?

So here is my thought bubble. Maybe by eating organic produce as far as possible, and in particular organic staples like bread and pasta, this could prevent 'leaky gut' - in which case I could still enjoy bread and milk (aka coffee and doughnuts) - in organic form.

Or is this just wishful thinking?
Discuss...


My gripe with 'gluten-free' products is they're so expensiive. But, once you've experimented with one month on gluten-free products, the 'investment' is worth it. You start to feel well. Since 2004, I haven't looked back, as a major UK supermarket started their own GF product line at reasonable prices, and it changed my life. And, I don't enthuse without justification!



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27 Apr 2020, 10:20 am

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My gripe with 'gluten-free' products is they're so expensive...
Why is it that a common product that lacks a specific ingredient is more expensive than a similar product that includes that ingredient?

It's like when you could buy both leaded and unleaded gasoline.  Lead was added to gasoline, yet unleaded gasoline was more expensive -- there is no extra effort in removing something that was never added in the first place, so why should the missing ingredient make the product more expensive?

There's something odd going on here...


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