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19 Feb 2006, 1:47 pm

I am currently practicing TKD, but TKD doesn't suit me because the blocks are slow and directly confront the force of the attack, which would hurt your forearm like hell if the block was actually successful. I also don't like the snappy kicks and the low emphasis on punches, elbows, knees, and grappling.

Patterns are boring to do and are useless. I've been told that patterns have practical applicationsand make your muscles stronger, but there are better ways to strengthen your muscles (exercises) and why not isolate practical techniques in the patterns instead of making the students find out for themselves? My instructors also told me that patterns are supposed to mentally strengthen me as well, but there are better ways to do that directly.

I also don't like how most martial arts tend to be "pure" and not take techniques which work better from other martial arts. Once my 1 year contract for TKD is done, I will be looking for a style and a school which emphasizes all ranges of combat, no patterns, eclectic, has full-contact sparring, teaches mental aspects of fighting, has weapon defenses, encourages dirty ruthless fightingas a last resort, doesn't have a bunch of fancy and useless techniques, etc.



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08 Mar 2006, 5:18 am

I was really active in the martial arts for about six years (Northern style kung fu), then dropped out for a while, then came back to do some jiujutsu.

In the end I dropped it because the environment was doing me more harm than good... Bad fit of learning styles between me and the teacher, and I was going home with a lot of sore joints. For the amount of time and effort I put in (10 years at 3+ times a week), the experience should've been a lot better than it was.

If you do go into the martial arts, don't sign up at the first school you visit. Take at least one sample class and pay close attention to how people in the school deal with one another. Ask about things like fees for belt tests. And, if you have knee problems, approach high-kicking styles and wrestling styles with caution.



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10 Mar 2006, 2:45 am

I would love to learn Wing Chun, block and attack at the same time looks very efficient.


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11 Mar 2006, 4:57 pm

I like watching Mixed Martial Arts. Are there any fans here? :D



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12 Mar 2006, 5:55 am

I also watch mixed martial arts. While i appreciate the art involved in the grappling i much prefer to watch the striking side of it than the fights in which they spend all their time rolling around the floor.



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29 Mar 2006, 8:47 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
I am currently practicing TKD, but TKD doesn't suit me because the blocks are slow and directly confront the force of the attack, which would hurt your forearm like hell if the block was actually successful. I also don't like the snappy kicks and the low emphasis on punches, elbows, knees, and grappling.

Patterns are boring to do and are useless. I've been told that patterns have practical applicationsand make your muscles stronger, but there are better ways to strengthen your muscles (exercises) and why not isolate practical techniques in the patterns instead of making the students find out for themselves? My instructors also told me that patterns are supposed to mentally strengthen me as well, but there are better ways to do that directly.

I also don't like how most martial arts tend to be "pure" and not take techniques which work better from other martial arts. Once my 1 year contract for TKD is done, I will be looking for a style and a school which emphasizes all ranges of combat, no patterns, eclectic, has full-contact sparring, teaches mental aspects of fighting, has weapon defenses, encourages dirty ruthless fightingas a last resort, doesn't have a bunch of fancy and useless techniques, etc.


I do TKD havn't been doing it for very long. Akido is surposidly more on practical defence and less of a focus on fighting.

In TKD I can do a 8'1 ft jumping snap kick after only doing it a couple of weeks. I hate patterns to. And the blocks. I have no idea if I will ever be able to learn them.


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29 Mar 2006, 8:56 am

My favourite part of karate has always been our kata (patterns). You are wrong in saying that they are useless. Useless to you perhaps, but that doesnt make them useless altoghether. They are excellent for teaching you things that you wouldnt otherwise learn. Such as certain stepping and shifting techniques, or open hand techniques you wouldnt often use. Or they are most useful for solo training. What are you going to do when you have no punching bag or opponent to work with?



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29 Mar 2006, 7:14 pm

autisticon wrote:
My favourite part of karate has always been our kata (patterns). You are wrong in saying that they are useless. Useless to you perhaps, but that doesnt make them useless altoghether. They are excellent for teaching you things that you wouldnt otherwise learn. Such as certain stepping and shifting techniques, or open hand techniques you wouldnt often use. Or they are most useful for solo training. What are you going to do when you have no punching bag or opponent to work with?
I didn't mean to imply that patterns are useless altogether. I was saying that IMO, isolating techniques into combinations or single attacks are more effective. Isolating techniques into combinations which set up the next technique effectively is more practical IMO. Boxing gyms seem to do fine without patterns.

How will I train w/o a sparring partner or a punching bag? shadowboxing. IMO, it's more effective than patterns because it allows you to practice combinations and improvise. Also, shadowboxing allows you to do reps on specific technqiues which you need to improve on unlike patterns which include a wide variety of techniques which may not set up another technique well.

Just my opinion. I am not denying what you said, I am just stating the reason why I think shadowboxing is a more effective method of training without a sparring partner or targets.



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04 Apr 2006, 1:32 pm

Shadow boxing is much like what Kihon is in karate. Kihon means basics. At lower belts you start off by doing a single punch or kick several times across the floor, from there you build up combinations as you gain ranks. So not only are you working on your combinations, but also you footwork (shifting, stepping, etc).

It all depends on your teacher really... I havent trained in TKD, or under your specific teacher, so I cant really comment much on it. What I do know is that the majority of those places dont teach properly, and never work on the application to the patterns. We often spend a whole class just breaking down 2 or 3 moves from a kata and applying them in different ways (against partners). Most places just make you do the kata as if it were some sort of dance, then they send you home. That is not the purpose of kata.



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14 Apr 2006, 8:51 pm

Serendipity wrote:
I like watching Mixed Martial Arts. Are there any fans here? :D


I love MMA!! !! I watch it whenever I can. I did some training in BJJ for about a year, but stopped when I moved away from home. It was the best workout I ever had. 1 hour of grappling and you would be totally exhausted.



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20 Apr 2006, 12:59 pm

jonathan79 wrote:
Serendipity wrote:
I like watching Mixed Martial Arts. Are there any fans here? :D


I love MMA!! !! I watch it whenever I can. I did some training in BJJ for about a year, but stopped when I moved away from home. It was the best workout I ever had. 1 hour of grappling and you would be totally exhausted.


BJJ is gay. Real men hit people, they dont roll around the floor hugging each other.



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20 Apr 2006, 4:12 pm

eamonn wrote:
jonathan79 wrote:
Serendipity wrote:
I like watching Mixed Martial Arts. Are there any fans here? :D


I love MMA!! !! I watch it whenever I can. I did some training in BJJ for about a year, but stopped when I moved away from home. It was the best workout I ever had. 1 hour of grappling and you would be totally exhausted.


BJJ is gay. Real men hit people, they dont roll around the floor hugging each other.
I disagree. Real men don't hit each other, they act like civilized human beings and hug each other :D.

@autisticon: Yeah, that's the way I've seen most TMA places do patterns. They make you repeat the entire pattern it a dozen times. Your place looks like it utilizes patterns practically, but I'm still confused about what their purpose is.



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26 May 2006, 8:17 pm

eamonn wrote:
jonathan79 wrote:
Serendipity wrote:
I like watching Mixed Martial Arts. Are there any fans here? :D


I love MMA!! !! I watch it whenever I can. I did some training in BJJ for about a year, but stopped when I moved away from home. It was the best workout I ever had. 1 hour of grappling and you would be totally exhausted.


BJJ is gay. Real men hit people, they dont roll around the floor hugging each other.


You won't be saying that when someone locks you up in an armbar or guiliteen choke hold!!


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27 May 2006, 3:48 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
I disagree. Real men don't hit each other, they act like civilized human beings and hug each other :D.


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27 May 2006, 6:50 pm

back to MMA, who is watching UFC 60 tonight? I have prior engangements, but if someone goes to the pub/bar and sees it tonight, post a description. I want to see gracie destroy that punk hughes :lol:



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30 May 2006, 6:57 am

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BJJ is gay. Real men hit people, they dont roll around the floor hugging each other.


You won't be saying that when someone locks you up in an armbar or guiliteen choke hold!![/quote]

I have been in numerous fights and no-one's tried that stuff yet as it's unlikely to work on the street, id use direct ilegal moves to combat it if they did. :P Anyway id rather get busted up bad and lose by knockout than have to admit to winning in one of the sissy ways you describe.