What do you think of the weight is just a number mentality?

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13 Aug 2016, 8:37 pm

OP, you could have PCOS. It's a fairly common endocrine disorder that, among other things, can make it difficult to lose weight.



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13 Aug 2016, 8:37 pm

beakybird wrote:
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You really simplify people weight issues an awful lot.
That's because it's simple.


beakybird wrote:
Losing weight takes alot more than just eating as few calories as possible and exercising as much as you can.
I don't believe I ever said 'eat as few calories as possible'.

Is someone else putting words in my mouth?

Show me where I wrote this.



beakybird wrote:
There are a number of mental and biological factors that also make it nearly impossible for some people to lose weight...
Please elaborate with data.

PS I'm not saying it's easy.

Simple and easy aren't synonymous.


But losing weight is simple.



beakybird wrote:
If only life were as simple as... if you want to just do something about it... It doesn't always work like that.
Most things in life are simple.

It could be argued that making something complex is nothing other than obfuscation.



beakybird wrote:
Most overweight people at one point or another, suffered or suffers with a food addiction. Or at least comfort eating. When we are depressed it's normal to seek comforts, and some people did not have friends or supportive families to teach us healthy coping mechanisms. Some of us get overwhelmed by the pursuit of pleasure that it's hard to always make sounds decisions. In short, people have vices, and vices can get out of control very easily if you're an emotionally compromised person.

For others, and some of those, it's merely a matter of wanting to enjoy one's life. Life brings limited pleasures, for me at least... and so people seek pleasure to enrich their life experiences. For some, the pursuit of pleasure is their reason for living. Again, it can become destructive, but life isn't a game that whoever lasts the longest wins. Maybe some people don't care if they die in the 50s if it means they get to live a life free of constant stress over what the are eating, how many calories, not being able to go out to eat really, havign to constantly block off time for exercise in an already busy life... some people just want to live. It's why some people drink, and smoke and do drugs and have indiscriminate sex, and do extreme sports and all the other things that "can kill you" but makes life living for those people...
I don't disagree with this.

But I wouldn't go rock-climbing then blame 'society' when I fall and break my arm.





beakybird wrote:
So who the hell are you to decide it's your job to police anyone who dares find self confidence outside of your view of what people should weigh? It's not any of your business. At all. So mind your damn business.
I assume you see the irony & hypocrisy of this?


beakybird wrote:
You tried telling me the same s**t about my calories and blah blah... and were way off.
I know more than you likely imagine RE calories/nutrition.



beakybird wrote:
So stop assuming and
Let me stop you there to illustrate the hypocrisy of you telling me not to police others, yet you are now policing me.



beakybird wrote:
the ignorant dick that you've appeared to be...
Reported.

PS you can't see beyond yourself. You're blinded by your ego.



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13 Aug 2016, 8:42 pm

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How about you get over yourself...you're clearly ignoring that people here talk about regularly walking and eating healthy diets and still being considered over-weight. Genetics play a role in ones body shape for one, so its not all in 'choice' also there are various conditions that can cause weight gain in people. Also you don't help people by insulting them, guilt tripping them and being an a** and then trying to pass it off as 'helpful advice' sorry not how it works.


No genetics can make you stop spending energy as long as you’re alive, so you will always lose weight if you starve yourself hard enough and are brutal enough with yourself. Therefore, it is a choice, no matter how painful it may be.


Starving is not healthy...people don't healthily lose weight by just not eating for a while. You still need certain nutrients and such to get through the day. The answer isn't as simple as 'oh just eat less calories and excercise more.
I mean people still say that to someone who's been overweight and has gotten down to a healthy weight but isn't exacly 'skinny.' because apparently skinny is the only acceptable body type. Really people should get the hell over themselves and realize they aren't the standard of beauty that everyone else should be judged against.


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13 Aug 2016, 8:49 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
beakybird wrote:
@sonicallysensitive

You really simplify people weight issues an awful lot.
That's because it's simple.


beakybird wrote:
Losing weight takes alot more than just eating as few calories as possible and exercising as much as you can.
I don't believe I ever said 'eat as few calories as possible'.

Is someone else putting words in my mouth?

Show me where I wrote this.



beakybird wrote:
There are a number of mental and biological factors that also make it nearly impossible for some people to lose weight...
Please elaborate with data.

PS I'm not saying it's easy.

Simple and easy aren't synonymous.


But losing weight is simple.



beakybird wrote:
If only life were as simple as... if you want to just do something about it... It doesn't always work like that.
Most things in life are simple.

It could be argued that making something complex is nothing other than obfuscation.



beakybird wrote:
Most overweight people at one point or another, suffered or suffers with a food addiction. Or at least comfort eating. When we are depressed it's normal to seek comforts, and some people did not have friends or supportive families to teach us healthy coping mechanisms. Some of us get overwhelmed by the pursuit of pleasure that it's hard to always make sounds decisions. In short, people have vices, and vices can get out of control very easily if you're an emotionally compromised person.

For others, and some of those, it's merely a matter of wanting to enjoy one's life. Life brings limited pleasures, for me at least... and so people seek pleasure to enrich their life experiences. For some, the pursuit of pleasure is their reason for living. Again, it can become destructive, but life isn't a game that whoever lasts the longest wins. Maybe some people don't care if they die in the 50s if it means they get to live a life free of constant stress over what the are eating, how many calories, not being able to go out to eat really, havign to constantly block off time for exercise in an already busy life... some people just want to live. It's why some people drink, and smoke and do drugs and have indiscriminate sex, and do extreme sports and all the other things that "can kill you" but makes life living for those people...
I don't disagree with this.

But I wouldn't go rock-climbing then blame 'society' when I fall and break my arm.





beakybird wrote:
So who the hell are you to decide it's your job to police anyone who dares find self confidence outside of your view of what people should weigh? It's not any of your business. At all. So mind your damn business.
I assume you see the irony & hypocrisy of this?


beakybird wrote:
You tried telling me the same s**t about my calories and blah blah... and were way off.
I know more than you likely imagine RE calories/nutrition.



beakybird wrote:
So stop assuming and
Let me stop you there to illustrate the hypocrisy of you telling me not to police others, yet you are now policing me.



beakybird wrote:
the ignorant dick that you've appeared to be...
Reported.

PS you can't see beyond yourself. You're blinded by your ego.



Well you are being a dick, and you're ret*d if you don't realize that either way you lose, how do you like that?...and if anyone's blinded by their ego here it's you and your inability to see beyond yourself. I sure hope your body is 100% perfect because you sure do judge others easily. But really I hope some mean girl mocks everything about your body before she discards you as you would do to any woman you find attractive for wronging you for not dating your jerk ass.

Why do 'you' want to be a dick, I'm not stupid and don't believe for one minute you're here trying to give honest helpful advice.......you're just here to insult people and make stupid assumptions. If you were trying to be 'helpful' you wouldn't antagonize the people you claim to be 'helping' with your judgemental assumptions that anyone not skinny is eating junk food all the time and never exorcising. F*** off troll.


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13 Aug 2016, 8:53 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well you are being a dick, and you're ret*d if you don't realize that either way you lose, how do you like that?...and if anyone's blinded by their ego here it's you and your inability to see beyond yourself. I sure hope your body is 100% perfect because you sure do judge others easily. But really I hope some mean girl mocks everything about your body before she discards you as you would do to any woman you find attractive for wronging you for not dating your jerk ass/


Very mature & constructive. I'm not even giving anything resembling a reply to your vitriolic post.

I expect a public apology for the above.

But you'll likely be banned as a product of your manner of addressing me.



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13 Aug 2016, 8:57 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
beakybird wrote:
@sonicallysensitive

You really simplify people weight issues an awful lot.
That's because it's simple.


beakybird wrote:
Losing weight takes alot more than just eating as few calories as possible and exercising as much as you can.
I don't believe I ever said 'eat as few calories as possible'.

Is someone else putting words in my mouth?

Show me where I wrote this.



beakybird wrote:
There are a number of mental and biological factors that also make it nearly impossible for some people to lose weight...
Please elaborate with data.

PS I'm not saying it isn't easy.

Simple and easy aren't synonymous.


But losing weight is simple.



beakybird wrote:
If only life were as simple as... if you want to just do something about it... It doesn't always work like that.
Most things in life are simple.

It could be argued that making something complex is nothing other than obfuscation.



beakybird wrote:
Most overweight people at one point or another, suffered or suffers with a food addiction. Or at least comfort eating. When we are depressed it's normal to seek comforts, and some people did not have friends or supportive families to teach us healthy coping mechanisms. Some of us get overwhelmed by the pursuit of pleasure that it's hard to always make sounds decisions. In short, people have vices, and vices can get out of control very easily if you're an emotionally compromised person.

For others, and some of those, it's merely a matter of wanting to enjoy one's life. Life brings limited pleasures, for me at least... and so people seek pleasure to enrich their life experiences. For some, the pursuit of pleasure is their reason for living. Again, it can become destructive, but life isn't a game that whoever lasts the longest wins. Maybe some people don't care if they die in the 50s if it means they get to live a life free of constant stress over what the are eating, how many calories, not being able to go out to eat really, havign to constantly block off time for exercise in an already busy life... some people just want to live. It's why some people drink, and smoke and do drugs and have indiscriminate sex, and do extreme sports and all the other things that "can kill you" but makes life living for those people...
I don't disagree with this.

But I wouldn't go rock-climbing then blame 'society' when I fall and break my arm.





beakybird wrote:
So who the hell are you to decide it's your job to police anyone who dares find self confidence outside of your view of what people should weigh? It's not any of your business. At all. So mind your damn business.
I assume you see the irony & hypocrisy of this?


beakybird wrote:
You tried telling me the same s**t about my calories and blah blah... and were way off.
I know more than you likely imagine RE calories/nutrition.



beakybird wrote:
So stop assuming and
Let me stop you there to illustrate the hypocrisy of you telling me not to police others, yet you are now policing me.



beakybird wrote:
the ignorant dick that you've appeared to be...
Reported.

I think there's ways to say the things you are trying to say without being so abrasive and un-empathetic on such a sensitive emotional issue for many people. I understand, in theory it's a simple solution. On paper. But in the reality of people's lives as it relates to weight, it's devastatingly difficult for some people who put ALOT of time and effort into it and cannot lose enough weight. I've witnessed it. It's painful for those people. And you banter about acting like it's a switch that can be flipped. And yes... verbatim you've never said that... but I feel that's how what you're saying sounds, and should expect heated responses.

I don't have the energy to engage in this further. I'm sure you have some more fat shaming to get to somewhere...



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13 Aug 2016, 8:58 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well you are being a dick, and you're ret*d if you don't realize that either way you lose, how do you like that?...and if anyone's blinded by their ego here it's you and your inability to see beyond yourself. I sure hope your body is 100% perfect because you sure do judge others easily. But really I hope some mean girl mocks everything about your body before she discards you as you would do to any woman you find attractive for wronging you for not dating your jerk ass/


Very mature & constructive. I'm not even giving anything resembling a reply to your vitriolic post.

I expect a public apology for the above.

But you'll likely be banned as a product of your manner of addressing me.


Yes so sure I'll be banned for calling you out on being a d**k which is exactly what you're doing... :roll:


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13 Aug 2016, 9:07 pm

beakybird wrote:
Reported.
Funny. Show me which forum rule I've broke.

Better to just admit you don't like the truth content of what I've written.

It's also noted you haven't addressed any point you made against me, or any point you claimed I made (when I didn't).



beakybird wrote:
I think there's ways to say the things you are trying to say without being so abrasive and un-empathetic on such a sensitive emotional issue for many people.
...So don't ask questions regarding weight on a public forum where anyone can reply...?


beakybird wrote:
I understand, in theory it's a simple solution. On paper.
Therefore contradicting what you've written in your previous post.



beakybird wrote:
But in the reality of people's lives as it relates to weight, it's devastatingly difficult for some people who put ALOT of time and effort into it and cannot lose enough weight.
And the reality is they must still consume too many calories and not exercise enough.

There's no getting round this.

And it's objective - not subjective. So, please stop implying I'm being insensitive by stating the above.



beakybird wrote:
I've witnessed it. It's painful for those people. And you banter about acting like it's a switch that can be flipped.
It is a switch. The switch is called 'making a choice'.


beakybird wrote:
And yes... verbatim you've never said that...
So you are retracting your previous statement with the words you claimed I said when in fact I didn't actually say them?

In other words, you projected your own thoughts on to me then used them as ammunition to attack me?



beakybird wrote:
but I feel that's how what you're saying sounds, and should expect heated responses.
Again, you're projecting by assuming I'm saying more than I'm saying.

If I wanted to call someone fat, I'd do so very directly.

But that's not what I'm doing. Unlike the personal attacks I've received in the past few posts. Which are there for all to read.

Again I'm having to defend myself against things I didn't say.



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13 Aug 2016, 10:18 pm

Emotions can be part of on line issues, as well as wait loss.

Thanks everyone for the food for thought ....
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14 Aug 2016, 5:27 am

I'm new here - but very opinionated.
The initial question is 'Is weight just a number?' Simple answer - yes.

Personal example - I was referred to a fitness clinic. They took all my stats - heart rate (working and resting), measurements, fat/muscle ratio, fitness level, etc. Then they gave me a fitness program and monitored me throughout the course. At the end of the program they took my stats again. Going solely by weight. I put on weight and my bmi went up. Going by the other stats - I lost 6kg of fat, increased muscle, massively increased my fitness. My heart was able to work longer and harder with less effort. All the other stats showed progress, except weight and bmi.

The basic fact is, despite the constant focus on weight and bmi (this is a massive industry), for most people it means nothing.

I really get annoyed at people who keep harping on about calorie in/calorie out concept - this has been disproven, but most people will never let facts get in the way of a good argument.

Weight loss is not simple. There are tons of issues that come into play including genetics, metabolism, past history (starvation type dieting actually makes it harder to lose weight), as well as medication and medical conditions.
An example of medication - I was put on an anti-depressant drug. I took it for three weeks. During that time I could not keep food down and lived on complan for four weeks. I still managed to put on weight - my size ballooned. For me, if the drug says may cause weight loss or weight gain - you can guarantee I will put on weight. They also make it very difficult to lose weight. Lifestyle issues like stress also affect body chemistry and its ability to lose weight.

When it comes to weight and bmi.
In general underweight is dangerous, especially if you have to seriously control what you are eating to maintain that sort of low weight. To all rules, there are exceptions and there will be a few people who are naturally very slim and will struggle to put on weight.
The preferred, overweight and moderately overweight sections of the bmi scale - as long as you are eating a healthy diet, exercising and don't have weight related health conditions - don't worry.
If you are morbidly obese and higher - you probably do need to look at losing weight. However, the best way is to improve your lifestyle and make gradual changes (i.e eat whole foods, balanced diet, portion control, exercise) rather than stressing out about it as stress affects cortisol levels and that will prevent weightloss. It is also advisable to talk to a health expert as going about it the wrong way can cause more health problems.

You can be slim and unhealthy. You make look physically acceptable to today's western standards, but your body composition can be 50%fat. You can be larger and have a healthier body composition. The biggest key is to eat healthy real food, in moderation (ie allow yourself some treats like chocolate, alcohol, whatever) and undertake some fitness activity be it actual sports or lifestyle activity like gardening etc. If you in the moderately overweight section and do want to look at losing weight. The first thing to check should be your plate size. I think 7" is the recommended size of a dinner plate.



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14 Aug 2016, 6:41 am

Of course you can be slim and unhealthy, and of course starvation is bad for your health—that’s the sacrifice you’ll make if you want to lose weight badly enough. If you don’t, you’re deciding there’s something more important to you than weight loss, so you’re still choosing. It is a choice.


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