Page 4 of 4 [ 53 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

AspiRob
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 304

10 Mar 2010, 4:43 am

MsTriste wrote:
my guess is it's the parents who are anti-vaccine, and the auties are the ones who are not only fine with being autistic, but also intelligent enough to know that vaccines are not related to autism.


Well said!!


_________________
I am highly in tune with my perceptions. It's reality that I haven't got a clue about.


psychohist
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2010
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,623
Location: Somerville, MA, USA

10 Mar 2010, 9:41 pm

Firstly, no one has any right to complain about other people not getting vaccines. Either you're vaccinated, in which case unvaccinated people pose no risk to you, or you're unvaccinated, in which case you shouldn't be complaining about other people who are doing the same thing you are.

Secondly, I don't think people in the "mandatory vaccination" camp understand what vaccination is like these days. When I was growing up, I got vaccines for life threatening conditions like polio and smallpox after I was a few years old and had a mature immune system. Now, the standard schedule includes relatively benign diseases like chicken pox and rotavirus, given before the child is a year old, when the immune system isn't mature yet. Personally, I think it's questionable to be giving too many vaccines at a time when all kinds of immune disorders seem to be on the rise.

It's also not the case that vaccines are necessarily safe. For example, the original rotavirus vaccine was actually pulled from the market by the FDA due to associated cases of bowel blockage that required surgery to fix. All vaccines have risks, and it makes sense to balance those risks against the value of the vaccine.

Our children are getting probably about two thirds of the recommended vaccines - but we're skipping some, and delaying others. And then there are some that we'd like to get but aren't available any more, like smallpox. If you think smallpox isn't a threat, you might want to consider what Al Qaeda would do with it if they got their hands on a sample from one of the many government laboratories that still have it.

pinkbowtiepumps wrote:
My suggestion: get the vaccine, and if your child has a reaction to it, don't get it again. How could you possibly know if it will harm your child if you haven't tried to give it to them yet?

That's a terrible argument. I mean, let's rephrase: "why not go play Russian roulette? How can you possibly know if you'll get the chamber with the bullet in it if you haven't pulled the trigger yet?"

There are real risks to vaccines, even if autism isn't one of them. Ignoring risks until after it's too late is stupid.



Hethera
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 1 Dec 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Female
Posts: 105

12 Mar 2010, 8:36 pm

psychohist wrote:
Firstly, no one has any right to complain about other people not getting vaccines. Either you're vaccinated, in which case unvaccinated people pose no risk to you, or you're unvaccinated, in which case you shouldn't be complaining about other people who are doing the same thing you are.


Actually, people who have legitimate medical reasons for not getting vaccinated (i.e. autoimmune disorders, cancer, egg allergy, newborns) are perfectly justified in being annoyed by the anti-vaxxers' destruction of herd immunity.



psychohist
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2010
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,623
Location: Somerville, MA, USA

14 Mar 2010, 11:05 pm

Hethera wrote:
Actually, people who have legitimate medical reasons for not getting vaccinated (i.e. autoimmune disorders, cancer, egg allergy, newborns) are perfectly justified in being annoyed by the anti-vaxxers' destruction of herd immunity.

I disagree. They think their reasons are legitimate, and others who don't use vaccinations also think their reasons are legitimate. The fact that the medical industry has weighed in on one side says little; the medical industry is often wrong.

Both those groups are welcome to feel grateful to people who do get vaccinated, but they are in no position to blame each other for not vaccinating.



PunkyKat
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 May 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,492
Location: Kalahari Desert

29 Mar 2010, 5:30 am

If I didn't get vaccines, I would STILL be autistic. I do however think we overvacinate our children and it is not good. My best friend's little baby cousin died of SIDS right after his vaccines and they think the vaccines played a role. I refuse to get flu vaccines and Gardasil and have even come across evidence that a child who got chicken pox via exposure has a better imunity against catching it again than a child who was vaccinated.