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Oh please do.

I don't see that striving to be thin is healthy. The negative correlation between higher weights and health is because the foods that tend to be lower in nutrients are also higher in calories, fat, and cholesterol in the West. But it's not a causative relationship.

The number of male to female vegetarians, let alone vegans is...hilarious. Though it's a misconception that if you adopt a plant-based diet/lifestyle, that you'll drop weight. I gained like nobody's business when I went vegan, because I filled up on potatoes. Nevertheless, it's become more and more common to see both touted as weight-loss diets. I guess a lot of people don't read up on it. I could eat Oreos and (some flavors of) Doritos all day long and not have eaten an animal product. They make vegan pizzas and microwaveable burritos, too. Plus, (for those types of people who consume these) you get into the super-processed faux meat products, and soy having anti-thyroid effects...yeah. Not a good weight loss plan.

I think, actually, that men are unhealthier because a certain kind of "hearty" eating is encouraged up and down-
it's never, ever a man in the commercial eating a salad (unless, of course, he's being made fun of)
and cooking/grilling/eating mass quantities of meat is very much tied in with masculine identity, unfortunately.
I just saw a Weight Watcher's ad featuring Charles Barkley, and the whole ad was basically "Sausage! Meatballs! Steak!"
I think men are also less likely to go to a doctor and take a doctor's advice until their wives or someone nearly forces them to.

Last edited by ValentineWiggin on 25 Jan 2012, 2:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Because there are no nutrients exclusive to in animal products?

Hey.
You mention Asian diets.
Do you know anything about nori?
It's supposed to contain large amounts of iodine, which I'm thinking might be helpful for me.
Just wondering.

Trying to get together some semblance of a meal plan for my first week eating and exercising. >.<

I don't know, I had like 4 sheets of nori today, actually. Uhm, my easiest meal plan is, make a ton of brown sushi rice (regular shorter grain brown rice could work, too, brown rice is really naturally sticky and wonderful for sushi) and then I put avacados and roasted eel or crab meat from a can on, and roll it all up. Besides the initial cooking the rice, it's a quite fast and I guess nutritious meal. Sushi is one of those things that give me a ton of energy, especially when it's with raw fish, but alas, I possess no raw fish that I'd feel comfortable eating raw.

For me, it's cheap, I pay like 1.69 for 10 sheets at the Asian market. You could also eat miso soup, but then you gotta consume the friendly fish if you wanna do that. Me, I have no real qualms about it, having brought home and ate fish with their heads still on them, along with little dried anchovies, with heads on. Yay unsqueemish Asians.

Maybe the nori though is probably one of the reasons I feel pretty good after eating it. Anyway, relatively cheap at Asian markets. Same with any other kind of seaweed.

For my "meal plan" I simply make a big thing of rice, put it in the fridge, get the nori sheets, put rice on them, put avacado pieces on, and some fishy bits, and roll it up. Today I made breakfast like that in about 4 minutes flat, which is less time than cooking eggs takes, so I'm pretty happy with that.

Meh, now I gotta diet down, I'm stronger now, but I'm getting huge, so even with the power gains, there's the whole aesthetic part of skating I gotta account for, and generally most figure skaters don't look like football players. So I guess when Lent comes around end of February, I'll have to stop/really cut lifting and cut down my weight a lot. Now, I got noticeably more muscle, I've not done any arm isolation work, and I've added an inch to my arms from the OL lifts and some powerlifting stuff, but the muscle comes with fat, or I at the very least didn't lose any fat, and just got muscle under the same fat, thus making me look slightly fatter. I really should get a BF check, too. My friend told me sometimes having a gut, etc, is unavoidable, as he's got a friend with 9% bodyfat that still has a bit of a gut, and he works out like crazy. But, in skating, a lot of the guys my height are like 130 pounds and stuff like that, and I'm at 200 right now, so... Thankfully people say I don't "look" 200, but still, it's like being an NFL linebacker or something in comparison. I just hope by cutting down, my power to weight ratio improves, not declines.

Speaking of that, it's quite odd, I had my Indian friend, who lived his whole life up to college as a vegan, he's like 120-130 pounds, and he's jealous of how I look and my strength, even with a bit of a gut, and meanwhile I always wished to look more like him, skinny. Really makes you think, why do we aim for such ideals anyway? Skinny people wanna get bigger, fat people wanna get smaller. It's quite funny.

I think it's more about experimenting with what we can do with our bodies. I had a period where I wanted to be brutus the beefcake, but it never happened most likely because of my job. I was fat and soft before I started, then I got extremely skinny, then I sort of normalized, but was still pretty fit and energetic. Now I'm kind of chubby and I'm concentrating on learning how to be fit in a sustainable manner, meaning taking out the most extreme steps I can, while still getting back to what I was. I could lose 50-60 pounds, but I'm not going to do some "Biggest Loser" plan, because that plan is not pragmatic, considering you'll have to put many things in life on hold.

So you just eat nori raw, correct?
That sounds great.

Tell your friend to work out? Veganism hasn't anything to do with it, unless his caloric intake is stupidly low or he has an overactive thyroid.
My ex (who turned me veg) is vegan, and he's a real "brutus the beefcake" now. (Yeah...should probably stop lurking people's Facebooks.)
I've never wanted to "get bigger", and that's the case ten times over now that I'm not big anymore. >.<
I think the aesthetics part of sex roles are to blame for what you're talking about-
men wanna be huge, women wanna be supermodel thin, whereas the majority of both are by definition decidedly average-sized/shaped.







No!
I care too much about the good of the community.
Or I'm too tired atm.

Whichever you want to believe.

If you put it in soup obviously you'd cook it, or rather just by putting it in soup, it'd be "cooked" but yeah, raw.

I use the incline a lot. Really helps on days when it just doesn't feel comfortable to walk fast, because, as you said, you make great progress, and also the cardio effect (heart rate) is the same or better (higher). Also, if you find one of those charts which shows you how to calculate your ideal heart rate for burning the most fat per calorie, and your treadmill can measure your heart rate (look for two shiny metal hand grips or a pulse-measuring finger clip, or just take your own pulse periodically as you walk), then you can set the treadmill's speed and incline to the amount that puts your heart rate at your best fat-burning rate. Mine is 105, but it varies per person. Here's some info that can help with that:



http://www.thewalkingsite.com/thr.html

Step 1: Eat more protein per day. Really count it. Eat 1 gram per pound of body weight.
Step 2: This will strengthen what little muscle you still have,

...and also give you more energy.
Step 3: This extra strength and energy will allow your muscles to work a bit harder when you exercise,
and you won't feel as tired when you do it. It will also probably cause some muscle gain, if you're really low on muscle,
which will automatically cause your exercise routines to burn more calories.

There is simply one obvious primary solution to very low muscle mass and feeling tired a lot: eat more protein.
And don't binge all at once on protein in one meal, try to spread out your consumption over each day.

I believe you look good and few extra kilos wouldn't make much difference.

Right. I'm going to start eating on Monday, depending on finances. I was 116 yesterday.

So no new pic?

So Boo, I hear you're trying to get into shape, I think I found your motivation: Pics of ValentineWiggin

lol what do you say VDUb?

There's actually something to it. I can lift 5 more pounds when looking at my wife than I normally can.

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There's actually something to it. I can lift 5 more pounds when looking at my wife than I normally can.[/quote]

LOL! I need some serious motivation. Not sure looking at my husband will do it, though. I've had a 24 Hour Fitness 2-year membership from Costco hanging up on my fridge for months. Once I'm in the groove I love it, but getting started is impossible.

Boo and I are not married anymore.