Vegetarianism and Harassment

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Sorry. Feeling one is superior is a BAD thing. It erases all traces of humility and you become a haughty huff-and-puff airbag!

Not really, it just means that I am a bit more evolved than a person who chows down on corpses and animal secretions!! ! (*vomit*).

Thanks for proving my point -- I am done here.

thanks for also proving mine - that humans are selfish creatures who will find any excuse to eat/abuse non-human creatures as though they have the divine right so to do.

Um, Fish *is* meat - dead Fish meat! - e.g NOT included in a VEGEtarian diet!.

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Sure this is out of context and I will get back on topic in a second. (The other thread is locked and I like having the last word)

Helen, I didn't mean to give the impression I was superior, but aparently you think you are. What I meant was I do not feel like I fit in here (don't fit most places). I am older, most here are younger. I don't have social or work problems, most here do. I have an NT wife and NT kids, most here don't. I don't blame the NT world for who I am and am not bitter towards NT's.

God said (Genesis) "man has dominion over all the brids of the air, the fish of the sea and all the critters that move on the earth (or something to that effect). I believe that does not mean we don't have to treat them with due respect as God's creatures, but if He didn't want us to eat them, why are they so tasty?

Vegans I know say that "milk is rape" - which just shows that they have never been on a farm, let alone seen a cow being milked.

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Hi Werbert, I'm not completely gone yet.

First of all, thank you.

Second of all, RAPED??! ! I sure hope some farm yokel isn't making love to my food before I eat it. I don't want to know what "extra ingredients" there are in my rump roast.

Third, anyone who hassles you for believing in something is a moron, and is not worth listening to. If they can come up with a cogent argument to challenge your beliefs, fine. If not, they should keep their mouths shut.

Fourth, I love vegetarians, really. You see, it takes a lot of grass just to feed one cow. With the land used to make that grass, you could probably grow enough food to feed some poor Third World village. Cows and chickens and pigs use up a lot of resources, and so, if our entire world turned vegetarian, our land would be used in a wiser manner, and we could possibly eliminate world hunger. The more vegetarians there are, the more land can be freed up for better purposes.

However, cows, pigs, and chickens are also delicious, and while I am in favor of killing them in a humane manner, I am opposed to any movement that wishes to stop killing them. A cow will never write the next great American novel, nor will a chicken ever make a difference in the lives of some poor, inner-city kids. Humans are the apex of evolution, this, nature dictates that other species should serve as our food. If cows ever start talking and reasoning, then I will reconsider my position. Until then, send that cow in the direction of my plate.

Besides, plants have feelings, too.

PS: Hey, blackduck.

If you don't want animals to die so you can eat, eat beef. One cow will provide very many meals. Machine harvested wheat will kill countless critters (mice, quail, not to mention insects). If you want to miniise the death of God's creatues as a result of eating, eat beef or eat hand harvested (not machine harvested) foods.

Some "vetetarians" I know are happy to eat seafood but not meat. This never makes sense to me. You can eat a dozen or more shrimp (prawns to Aussies), eating a dozen individual creatures, but not want to eat 1/500th of a cow!

I don't follow their logic.

Exactly. You never know how many creatures had to suffer in order to make your salad, so why bother caring?

I've always wondered what a prawn was. Now I know.

You have to draw the line somewhere..

Black duck - my original post about 'if you think you're superior......' was actually directed to Captain Brown and not you. Also, my comment about about me being superior was tongue in cheek - I believe we're all equals, etc - but I suppose I feel my ethics are better than those of people who don't give a crap where their food comes from.

As far as the other points made here - most animals used by mankind *are* raped, e.g sexually violated via Artificial Insemination or through other forced intercourse. I grew up in the countryside, my parents' closest friends are Dairy farmers - yes, I do know what I'm talking about here. For anyone interested, google 'PETA' or 'VIVA!' and you'll soon find out the truth.

Milk is not just rape, either, it's unnecessary - Cow milk is for Cows, not for humans. The only way to squeeze milk from a Cow is by impregnating her and then stealing away the baby and taking the baby's milk - simple (and simply repulsive!).

Veganism is a very sustainable way of living as has been pointed out - rather than feed an animal and kill it - just eat the crop. Who knows what creatures have suffered for my salad - way less than have suffered for your meat, anyway!.

Yes, we do have to draw the line somewhere - for me that line is eating plants, which have no central nervous system. They *may* have feelings - until this is proven beyond doubt I will carry on eating them with a relatively clear conscience.

Lets hope that other humans won't take this 'why bother caring' attitude too often towards people with PDDs.

For my response, see my megapost above.

I've said what I wanted to say. Enjoy your broccoli and bean sprouts.

Oh, I will, thanks! . Plus all the other things on offer..............vegan ice-cream, soya products, cakes, biscuits, pasta and potato dishes, nut roasts, chocolate - all fairly much guilt free, and all cholestorol-free, no added hormones, growth products, bacteria, and intestinal pieces, just lovely, safe, cruelty-free food! .

Werbert, I do wonder which 'humane' method of killing animals you are thinking of, by the way?. Would that be the one where they drag the terrified animal into an abbatoir where it can smell the fear and blood of those before it, only to then stun it before ripping its throat out?.

I tell you, it's a real pity that animals can't talk (our language) or write novels, because, if they could, people like you might be appalled at the suffering behind your 'delicious' meal.

If they could, then I wouldn't eat them, because they would be worth saving. Until then, they are food. And if they can come up with a way for child molesters and mass murderers to die relativeley painless deaths, surely they can let my food die the same way.