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Serissa
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08 Dec 2005, 4:40 pm

I am very very ashamed of this, but I cannot do one single pushup. I can't get up from the ground. I am working on correcting this by doing a few small sets every morning where I start off up off the ground, go as far down as I can go, then go back up right before I collapse. My goal is to be able to do at least 25 in a row next year.

Does anybody know how to put more weight on your feet or better balance, though? I should be able to physically do them already- I likely have the muscle capacity and am not properly balancing but I don't know how to correct it.

BTW is anyone else a weakling like me?

Edit I already use 5 lb weights every morning, in addition to 150 crunches and 150 situps- which I don't need advise on how to do (the weights or the crunches). I think I'll abandon this topic/ probably won't come back to this; it's just frustrating (to read).

Edit as of 3/18/05- I can now do 25 in a row. My goal is met.



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08 Dec 2005, 4:49 pm

Serissa wrote:
..Does anybody know how to put more weight on your feet or better balance, though?..


:? eh? pushups should be performed lying down.

that gives me an idea though - do pushups against a raised surface - furniture, railings etc. then build up gradually to traditional horizontal pushups as your strength increases.

as for balance - do you mean wobbling about? Thats because the secondary and stabilizing muscle groups cant keep up. Its generally considered dangerous to perform resistance exercise with 'bad form' - more risk of injury, doubly so if you didnt warm up adequately. In the long term it can be dangerous to repeat the same exercise in isolation as muscle imbalances develop and eventually cause tears or pull joints out of their sockets! :o Youll probably be ok sticking to basic body-resistance exercises though.

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BTW is anyone else a weakling like me?


I used to do bodybuilding obsessively, but stopped a year ago due to an unrelated injury.
Ive since shrivelled back to square one :roll:



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08 Dec 2005, 5:28 pm

psych wrote:
Serissa wrote:
..Does anybody know how to put more weight on your feet or better balance, though?..


:? eh? pushups should be performed lying down.

that gives me an idea though - do pushups against a raised surface - furniture, railings etc. then build up gradually to traditional horizontal pushups as your strength increases.

as for balance - do you mean wobbling about? Thats because the secondary and stabilizing muscle groups cant keep up. Its generally considered dangerous to perform resistance exercise with 'bad form' - more risk of injury, doubly so if you didnt warm up adequately. In the long term it can be dangerous to repeat the same exercise in isolation as muscle imbalances develop and eventually cause tears or pull joints out of their sockets! :o Youll probably be ok sticking to basic body-resistance exercises though.

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BTW is anyone else a weakling like me?


I used to do bodybuilding obsessively, but stopped a year ago due to an unrelated injury.
Ive since shrivelled back to square one :roll:


I did bodybuilding obsessively too. And also received an injury, although mine WAS related. Screwed up my shoulder for life. Currently shrivelling up.



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08 Dec 2005, 5:29 pm

Serissa wrote:

BTW is anyone else a weakling like me?


No, just you. We're all amazingly strong here.

(j/k)



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08 Dec 2005, 5:52 pm

psych wrote:

:? eh? pushups should be performed lying down.

that gives me an idea though - do pushups against a raised surface - furniture, railings etc. then build up gradually to traditional horizontal pushups as your strength increases.

as for balance - do you mean wobbling about? Thats because the secondary and stabilizing muscle groups cant keep up. Its generally considered dangerous to perform resistance exercise with 'bad form' - more risk of injury, doubly so if you didnt warm up adequately. In the long term it can be dangerous to repeat the same exercise in isolation as muscle imbalances develop and eventually cause tears or pull joints out of their sockets! :o Youll probably be ok sticking to basic body-resistance exercises though.


a. standard pushups as I know of them have read of them and all of how I've seen them done have three points on the ground- your two hands as two points, your feet as the third. I don't know what you're doing, but it sounds weird if your feet aren't involved.

b. no, I mean I don't think I'm shifting my weight properly or something, and I think more weight should be on my feet- but I doubt you can help me with that.... ? -confused-



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08 Dec 2005, 6:08 pm

there are variations, depending on where you place your hands, and what way they point, but thats it. Once youve chosen a stance and started theres not a great deal of technique or variation involved - the only options available are 'pushing up' and letting yourself down, keeping your legs and torso straight.

If you keep at it, you develop muscular coordination for the first 4-6 weeks or so, your muscles start working together more effieciently at that particular movement, which means you can do more reps. After that, you may start to hypertrophy slightly, depending on hormones and calorific intake. Soon after that, you become conditioned to the load and hypertrophy slows down until either you a) increase the resistance by at least 5% or b) stop for a week or two to eliminate the conditioning.



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08 Dec 2005, 6:52 pm

Serissa, are you talking about a sit-up or abdominal crunch where you lie on your back and raise your torso to a more or less vertical position? That's balance, and females for obvious reasons are more top-heavy. You need more weight holding your feet down.



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09 Dec 2005, 6:15 am

Why don't you start with "girls" push-ups so your knees are on the ground not your feet? Once you can do them easily you could try it with your feet instead of your knees. And I find push-ups really really hard because my peck muscles aren't strong and get irritated easily - I'm not meant to do push-ups alot because of it coz it stuffs up my shoulder. I just do sit-ups instead :) But I do pilates so I rarely do any of those exercises and stick to the pilates ones. So I'm probably as weak as you in some muscle areas.



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09 Dec 2005, 8:12 am

Remnant wrote:
Serissa, are you talking about a sit-up or abdominal crunch where you lie on your back and raise your torso to a more or less vertical position? That's balance, and females for obvious reasons are more top-heavy. You need more weight holding your feet down.


Who's talking about situps???

I do 150 of those a day, and 150 crunches, neither with support on my feet, and have been doing this for a long time, but who's talking about situps?

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Why don't you start with "girls" push-ups so your knees are on the ground not your feet? Once you can do them easily you could try it with your feet instead of your knees. And I find push-ups really really hard because my peck muscles aren't strong and get irritated easily - I'm not meant to do push-ups alot because of it coz it stuffs up my shoulder. I just do sit-ups instead :) But I do pilates so I rarely do any of those exercises and stick to the pilates ones. So I'm probably as weak as you in some muscle areas.


I can do knee ones pretty easily. Right now I'm starting up, going down as far as I can till I'm at the "point of no return" then going up again. Been doing it about a wekk, it already seems to be getting a tiny bit easier.



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09 Dec 2005, 8:28 am

I'm okay at push-ups. not great, I can prob do about 30 (maybe 40 if I'm lucky) in a row... but my advice to you? let's see...

Starting off with girl push-ups is an awesome idea. That will help you get down the basic form so that you'll be able to put more muscle in it. I'd also reccomend lifting a bit. Myabe like 5 lb weights once in a while. Just do like 10 reps and take a quick rest by doing the other arm for 10 reps, and repeat with the other arm. do that (each arm) 3 times maybe like 3x-week, and I bet it will get a lot better. You sound like you're in pretty good physical shape anyway, so it should be pretty easy for you!

One thing that's really hard though, is the impossible push-up. It's when you start off doing a regular push-up and then when you're going back up you bring your arms behind you and clap! Only the really strong guys on my XC team can do it, I'm not even gonna try!

Well not now anyway. hehehe



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09 Dec 2005, 9:36 pm

I can't say I was ever in bad a shape that I couldn't do a push-up or pull-up, but I used to be unable to do some things like headstand push-ups.

When you're trying to train your muscles you should keep this in mind:

Muscles grow strong when they're pulled apart and allowed to heal.

It is actually more effective to use more weight than a muscle can pull, and allow that weight to slowly extend the muscle. For example, if you cannot do a pull-up, get on a chair and put the bar under your chin, then get off the chair and let yourself down slowly. This is actually more effective than pulling up.

Allowing everything to heal is just as important. I didn't get results until I only worked out every other day.



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10 Dec 2005, 9:04 am

iamlucille wrote:
I'm okay at push-ups. not great, I can prob do about 30 (maybe 40 if I'm lucky) in a row... but my advice to you? let's see...

Starting off with girl push-ups is an awesome idea. That will help you get down the basic form so that you'll be able to put more muscle in it. I'd also reccomend lifting a bit. Myabe like 5 lb weights once in a while. Just do like 10 reps and take a quick rest by doing the other arm for 10 reps, and repeat with the other arm. do that (each arm) 3 times maybe like 3x-week, and I bet it will get a lot better. You sound like you're in pretty good physical shape anyway, so it should be pretty easy for you!

One thing that's really hard though, is the impossible push-up. It's when you start off doing a regular push-up and then when you're going back up you bring your arms behind you and clap! Only the really strong guys on my XC team can do it, I'm not even gonna try!

Well not now anyway. hehehe


I've been working with 5 lbs wieghts for years. ;)



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10 Dec 2005, 7:16 pm

For a boy Im a weakling (though I can do some pushups), when I was still playing football like all of my teammates could bench well over 150 and I couldnt even do 100 :(, though its also important to not that the fball team isnt exactally a cross section of the school and there might have been others weaker then me not on the team (though even some people on the vball team that we sometimes exercised with were stronger then me :().


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10 Dec 2005, 7:28 pm

I sort of sympathise with you - except I seem to be a strange case.
I can do around 20 chin-ups without pausing, and yet can only do about 3 press ups before my arms collapse! I don't think you should worry too much, unless you have a passtime or job that requires upper body strength - I always figure that however strong you are *without* working out is good enough, seeing as it is due to your lifestyle, therefore an appropriate degree of strength.
But hey, images of perfection from the mass media and all that sort of thing... I guess it's all personal choice.

Try using very small pairs of weights - 2 or 3kg - for a couple of hours a day. It won't make your muscles much more noticeable, but it does seem to help a lot with their actual capacity! :)



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10 Dec 2005, 7:39 pm

Yea, but chin-ups are easy. You should do pull-ups (palms-out).



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10 Dec 2005, 7:51 pm

Serissa wrote:
Does anybody know how to put more weight on your feet or better balance, though?
Ankle Weights? And Stand and one foot and through a heavy ball back and forth with another person for balance. :)


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