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12 Apr 2011, 8:27 am

I am an allergic to an enzyme of animal protein and should and need to stay vegan.

But have recently been eating meat again because family had me do so.

How do I go back to being vegan when I'm having self control issues?



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12 Apr 2011, 9:39 am

I eat Quorn products, they can taste similar sometimes. Although, I'm vegetarian for moral reasons instead of dietary reasons. Also, eating raw nuts is a good idea because when you don't eat animal products, your body needs healthy oils and raw nuts can provide them.

Eating some form of protein regularly (but don't overdo it) can also help if you want to not crave meat so much (Quorn, soya, beans or nuts). Nuts are easiest as they can be carried in a bag, don't need to be cooked and don't require special storage (my own experience) and are handy if you're really busy.


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12 Apr 2011, 10:10 am

Yea you should be careful. If you're going to be vegan, you've got to make sure you're getting your meatly nutrients elsewhere and that your not around a bunch of people eating delicious smelling meat.

Yes, meatly nutrients is a scientific term. >.>



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12 Apr 2011, 8:29 pm

That sucks.
I am lacto-vegetarian not because of health issues but because I can't stand the thought of eating any animal or a part of an animal that may have been living at one point.
Anyways, if you want me to gross you out into not eating meat, cheese, gelatin, or eggs....I will.
You would just have to swear on your grave not to even THINK about grossing me out about dairy.
Because that is one of the few things I still have in my diet for protein.

If you don't want to be grossed out, then maybe try rewarding yourself or something.
Like if you don't eat something, then you get a reward. (it could be a piece of candy, staying up a little bit later, doing something small but fun if you accomplish staying away from it).

Oh, and if you want your family off your back, make sure they understand how sick you get when you eat it,

Hope this helps!
(I have been vegetarian for 6 years, and lacto-vegetarian for a few months)



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13 Apr 2011, 12:46 pm

MisterJ wrote:
Yea you should be careful. If you're going to be vegan, you've got to make sure you're getting your meatly nutrients elsewhere and that your not around a bunch of people eating delicious smelling meat.

Yes, meatly nutrients is a scientific term. >.>


Trust me, I know this. I have been vegan for at least a 1 year since I moved out.

I am just loosing face and motivation to stay this way because my family is here in this house. And dad is the one who taught me how to cook. And I love dad's cooking, but dad had an adversion to "rabbit food" as he called it.

So in the end I'm eating by myself. Everyone else gets to enjoy what dad made, comment on his food.

Part of the dining experience isn't just about the food and making yourself not hungry. Part of it is the social aspect. And I get none of that. One of my brothers will sometimes eat what I make, but that's not always the case.



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13 Apr 2011, 6:01 pm

Why don't you initiate your family into cooking together something that is healthy? each person can do something, so it won't be so much of an isolating or negative feeling. Easy things that are vegan and won't make your family balk.
-falafel and salad
-tempeh tacos
-black bean soup with avocado and vegetables
Invite them to join you in the kitchen and it will be a warmer,better experience.I hope it works out,I had quite a time over Xmas with everyone else eating and cooking meat,chicken,bacon,the microwave was so stinky I only used it a few times,and quite a few people made a big deal of me being vegan. :roll: Ignorance vs. awareness.



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13 Apr 2011, 6:04 pm

Mackica wrote:
Why don't you initiate your family into cooking together something that is healthy? each person can do something, so it won't be so much of an isolating or negative feeling. Easy things that are vegan and won't make your family balk.
-falafel and salad
-tempeh tacos
-black bean soup with avocado and vegetables
Invite them to join you in the kitchen and it will be a warmer,better experience.I hope it works out,I had quite a time over Xmas with everyone else eating and cooking meat,chicken,bacon,the microwave was so stinky I only used it a few times,and quite a few people made a big deal of me being vegan. :roll: Ignorance vs. awareness.


You don't know my dad. I have tried over and over and over again to have him try out this stuff. But he refuses to budge. My two younger brothers are fine, they are more like vultures and eat whomever cooks the fastest.



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13 Apr 2011, 6:09 pm

You are right,I don't know your dad or you mine..but if you start with a negative attitude,where is it going to get you?



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14 Apr 2011, 4:36 am

I would be a vegan except all vegan substitutes on the shelves here contain palm oil.

I am vegitarian. Lacto-Ovo. Although i only eat Organic free range eggs and cheese. I use other milks and make my own icecreams and yogurts. I will swap to vegan when i am successful at making suitable cheese substitutes myself.

The only time i eat chicken (very very very rarely) is if my iron count has nose dived. then i will only consume enough to boost it up. The iron tablets here have palm oil. 8O I would prefer to kill a chicken then an orangutan. :(

A good family recipe is Mixed Capscicim(bell pepper) taco's or fajita's. You can even use a packet seasoning mix.

Make your salsa of choice and a guacamole.
Make the tortillas and place in oven on very low to keep warm (or use packet ones)
Then slice 4 huge caps of various colours, 1 aubergine, 2 red onions into 4cm matchsticks.
Saute them in pan with a tiny dash of olive oil. Then add seasoning mix and saute to take off raw taste. add 2 cups of boiling water and boil off liquid.

Serve at the table with m,ixed lettuce, grated carrot, chopped tomatoes, salsa, guocamole, cilantro and chopped chillis.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:50 am

I used to be vegan but got sick and It took away my energy, so now I'm only a part time vegetarian. You should do what you feel comfortable with



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04 May 2011, 7:54 pm

I'm vegan, and know enough about the consensus of the nutritional community to say a healthy vegan diet isn't lacking in any nutrient, and can provide health BENEFITS when it comes to certain things. That being said, I eat horribly, myself, so don't have many recommendations- it's a mistake to presume you must consume something that resembles animal products, though, which many people do. The "faux" meat, milk, etc is all optional.

Question....if animal protein makes you sick, to the point where you'd be facing abstaining from consuming it entirely,
why would your family have you eat it?

Did I misunderstand the original post?


Anyway, I agree with Mackica...if you cook healthful vegan meals routinely, and your brothers eat them, there may come one pivotal day where your dad's too tired to make something for himself, and tries a bit of your food and concedes it isn't horrible. :D


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04 May 2011, 10:03 pm

Solvejg wrote:
The only time i eat chicken (very very very rarely) is if my iron count has nose dived. then i will only consume enough to boost it up.


Interesting, would not have thought chicken would have enough Iron to prove much difference. Do you get tested for Iron?

Wife is often anaemic, and supplements have varying success (she doesn't absorb much). The only thing that has proven helpful is eating red meat (ironically the most expensive cuts. should not have spoilt her :( ).

Question for the Vegans. How do Vegans go with pregnancy and the demands with breastfeeding?



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04 May 2011, 11:04 pm

Jaythefordman wrote:
Solvejg wrote:
The only time i eat chicken (very very very rarely) is if my iron count has nose dived. then i will only consume enough to boost it up.


Interesting, would not have thought chicken would have enough Iron to prove much difference. Do you get tested for Iron?

Wife is often anaemic, and supplements have varying success (she doesn't absorb much). The only thing that has proven helpful is eating red meat (ironically the most expensive cuts. should not have spoilt her :( ).

Question for the Vegans. How do Vegans go with pregnancy and the demands with breastfeeding?


I know of no vegan women who have had any unusual problems relating to diet.

In regards the Iron issue, the solution is simple food combining, vit C containing foods over the half hour preceding and in conjunction with dark green vegetables should supply all your needs. Iron counts are deceptive, peoples healthy needs vary and the 'norms' have been set to a bar determined by testing of people with high meat intakes as the norm, this is a quite dubious presumption.

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04 May 2011, 11:38 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:
Jaythefordman wrote:
Solvejg wrote:
The only time i eat chicken (very very very rarely) is if my iron count has nose dived. then i will only consume enough to boost it up.


Interesting, would not have thought chicken would have enough Iron to prove much difference. Do you get tested for Iron?

Wife is often anaemic, and supplements have varying success (she doesn't absorb much). The only thing that has proven helpful is eating red meat (ironically the most expensive cuts. should not have spoilt her :( ).

Question for the Vegans. How do Vegans go with pregnancy and the demands with breastfeeding?


I know of no vegan women who have had any unusual problems relating to diet.

In regards the Iron issue, the solution is simple food combining, vit C containing foods over the half hour preceding and in conjunction with dark green vegetables should supply all your needs. Iron counts are deceptive, peoples healthy needs vary and the 'norms' have been set to a bar determined by testing of people with high meat intakes as the norm, this is a quite dubious presumption.

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Yes i agree. That is why it is very very very rare i have chicken and then it is dark leafy greens, tomatoes and i drink some orange juice with it.

Sometimes though my iron levels dip dramatically really really fast and i need to boost it up fast otherwise i keep fainting. 8) It hads been a few years since i have had to though.


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05 May 2011, 5:33 pm

Solvejg wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Jaythefordman wrote:
Solvejg wrote:
The only time i eat chicken (very very very rarely) is if my iron count has nose dived. then i will only consume enough to boost it up.


Interesting, would not have thought chicken would have enough Iron to prove much difference. Do you get tested for Iron?

Wife is often anaemic, and supplements have varying success (she doesn't absorb much). The only thing that has proven helpful is eating red meat (ironically the most expensive cuts. should not have spoilt her :( ).

Question for the Vegans. How do Vegans go with pregnancy and the demands with breastfeeding?


I know of no vegan women who have had any unusual problems relating to diet.

In regards the Iron issue, the solution is simple food combining, vit C containing foods over the half hour preceding and in conjunction with dark green vegetables should supply all your needs. Iron counts are deceptive, peoples healthy needs vary and the 'norms' have been set to a bar determined by testing of people with high meat intakes as the norm, this is a quite dubious presumption.

peace j


Yes i agree. That is why it is very very very rare i have chicken and then it is dark leafy greens, tomatoes and i drink some orange juice with it.

Sometimes though my iron levels dip dramatically really really fast and i need to boost it up fast otherwise i keep fainting. 8) It hads been a few years since i have had to though.


If you were over here I would suggest feral deer meat as being the optimum solution.

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05 May 2011, 7:46 pm

Iron: Lentils, beans, leaf vegetables, tofu, chick peas, black eyed peas, blackstrap molasses, fortified bread, fortified cereals


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