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25 Jul 2011, 12:51 pm

Splenda? Hermasatas?

I'd like to know the best for baking, and the best for adding to drinks like coffee, or making your own soft drinks. They can be two different sweeteners.

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25 Jul 2011, 1:11 pm

Unless you cannot tolerate sucrose, I would highly recommend against using any artificial sweeteners. The reason is that they are not physiologically compatible with the human body. Nutrisweet for example decomposes to methanol and then into formaldehyde in the body, and Splenda is nothing more than a sucrose molecule with a Chlorine atom replacing a hydrogen group. Artificial sweeteners are incredibly toxic. Please use them sparingly, or ideally not at all.



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25 Jul 2011, 1:24 pm

What about all the others? Like ones that include Aspartame (I know you can't get this on it's own and why).



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25 Jul 2011, 5:30 pm

Great timing with this thread- I've been considering making something for bf's diabetic grandfather, and have been casually reading up on different artificial sweeteners. I'm a dieter, so I was all 8O when I read how many are calorie-free as well. I'm just now learning to cook, and want to be replace all the ingredients my mom got me with healthier ones, gradually.

Leaning toward Truvia at the moment.


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25 Jul 2011, 5:33 pm

johnsmcjohn wrote:
Artificial sweeteners are incredibly toxic.


Study?
Not to be a doubting Thomasina, but I would be interested in what you're referencing.


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25 Jul 2011, 11:25 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
johnsmcjohn wrote:
Artificial sweeteners are incredibly toxic.


Study?
Not to be a doubting Thomasina, but I would be interested in what you're referencing.


Since I read this book I've completely cut myself off from all artificial sweeteners. There's terabytes of data online supporting the conclusions in this book, but it's a good place to start.

http://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Deception-S ... 0785221794



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26 Jul 2011, 4:19 am

From all the vast stuff Ive read splenda is the safest 'commercial' one and Stevia is the safest herbal one (tho not very good/nice).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

If I was you I would sweeten baking with dates and bananas or raisins, and i would learn to drink coffee unsweetened. If you cut back on sweetened drinks your taste buds will soon adjust.

Stay clear of aspartame (neurotoxin, carcinogenic) and saccharin (very carcinogenic) lots of drinks/products already dont have them, I think saccharin might even be illegal in US because its so bad.

http://dld123.com/sweetsavvy/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_substitute



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26 Jul 2011, 4:26 pm

The-Raven wrote:
From all the vast stuff Ive read splenda is the safest 'commercial' one and Stevia is the safest herbal one (tho not very good/nice).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

If I was you I would sweeten baking with dates and bananas or raisins, and i would learn to drink coffee unsweetened. If you cut back on sweetened drinks your taste buds will soon adjust.


I'm trying to bake healthily for someone with a very poor (read: high in sugar) diet, and another who's a diabetic trying to eat the same way (not working too well, as you could imagine). Dates and banana and raisins would elicit at best a "no, thank you" and at worst a "yuck, health food" reaction. I'm personally all-for more natural sweeteners like that. Can't taste coffee w/out sugar, myself, having hyposensitivity to taste, although at the moment I only drink water.

The-Raven wrote:
Stay clear of aspartame (neurotoxin, carcinogenic) and saccharin (very carcinogenic) lots of drinks/products already dont have them, I think saccharin might even be illegal in US because its so bad.

I guess the question for me is whether all artificial, non-sugar sweeteners are so bad, if some are better than others and if so which to use-
ideally, my bf and his grandfather (previously-mentioned, respectively) (and everyone in the world!) would adopt a diet only consisting of natural sweeteners, and their diets would be less high in carbs and protein and have a lot more fiber, but I'm trying to do the best I can, being an absolute novice cook and foodie myself, and a vegan + dieter to boot- my bf already has kidney problems and I'm struggling to change small things toward a larger, big impact as far as his eating goes.
It's all so damned complicated. :x

I bought two bags of pancake mix (different flavors) at a salvage grocery store and he specifically wanted me to make one versus the other first because the other said "no sugar added" on the package. It's infuriating, but what can you do?

Sorry to derail OP's thread- needed to vent.
The extraordinary amount of sugar in Western diets, most of it of a type unhealthy in one way or another, is a massive issue with many facets.


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26 Jul 2011, 9:28 pm

johnsmcjohn wrote:
Since I read this book I've completely cut myself off from all artificial sweeteners. There's terabytes of data online supporting the conclusions in this book, but it's a good place to start.

http://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Deception-S ... 0785221794


http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Most of it's probably crap.


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27 Jul 2011, 3:36 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
johnsmcjohn wrote:
Since I read this book I've completely cut myself off from all artificial sweeteners. There's terabytes of data online supporting the conclusions in this book, but it's a good place to start.

http://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Deception-S ... 0785221794


http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp

Most of it's probably crap.


I have a suggestion for their "Top Scams" section. :lol:


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27 Jul 2011, 8:09 am

Artificial Sweetner is worse for you than normal sugar.


My suggestion instead is to go with Agave Nectar. Its natural, its less sweet than normal sugar. And it takes less to use to make your food sweet.

Trust me do not go to artificial sweetners.



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27 Jul 2011, 8:51 am

The one I'm not allergic to.

So far I have no luck with NutraSweet/Aspartame, Splenda, or Acefulmate Potassium. All of these, especially aspartame, will cause me to break a cold sweat, get a migraine, and talk like Scooby Doo.

The only one I've found not to do all of that is saccharin, as for all the other herbal stuff like stevia and what not - haven't tried it, think I'd rather just play it safe and when I want an iced tea or pop I'll have an iced tea or pop, other than that I'll stick with water for my health.


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27 Jul 2011, 9:04 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
From all the vast stuff Ive read splenda is the safest 'commercial' one and Stevia is the safest herbal one (tho not very good/nice).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

If I was you I would sweeten baking with dates and bananas or raisins, and i would learn to drink coffee unsweetened. If you cut back on sweetened drinks your taste buds will soon adjust.


I'm trying to bake healthily for someone with a very poor (read: high in sugar) diet, and another who's a diabetic trying to eat the same way (not working too well, as you could imagine). Dates and banana and raisins would elicit at best a "no, thank you" and at worst a "yuck, health food" reaction. I'm personally all-for more natural sweeteners like that. Can't taste coffee w/out sugar, myself, having hyposensitivity to taste, although at the moment I only drink water.

The-Raven wrote:
Stay clear of aspartame (neurotoxin, carcinogenic) and saccharin (very carcinogenic) lots of drinks/products already dont have them, I think saccharin might even be illegal in US because its so bad.

I guess the question for me is whether all artificial, non-sugar sweeteners are so bad, if some are better than others and if so which to use-
ideally, my bf and his grandfather (previously-mentioned, respectively) (and everyone in the world!) would adopt a diet only consisting of natural sweeteners, and their diets would be less high in carbs and protein and have a lot more fiber, but I'm trying to do the best I can, being an absolute novice cook and foodie myself, and a vegan + dieter to boot- my bf already has kidney problems and I'm struggling to change small things toward a larger, big impact as far as his eating goes.
It's all so damned complicated. :x

I bought two bags of pancake mix (different flavors) at a salvage grocery store and he specifically wanted me to make one versus the other first because the other said "no sugar added" on the package. It's infuriating, but what can you do?

Sorry to derail OP's thread- needed to vent.
The extraordinary amount of sugar in Western diets, most of it of a type unhealthy in one way or another, is a massive issue with many facets.

I would go for Splenda then.



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28 Jul 2011, 12:22 am

I like Stevia the best


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29 Jul 2011, 12:00 am

I have a question to ask for the people that answered this thread.; what exactly are sugar alcohols?
I am diabetic and I've noticed there are numerous items that use sugar alcohols instead of natural sugar.