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16 Feb 2014, 2:16 pm

I do not know where to ask help.
I believe I am autistic who was "cared" decades by the psychopath.
My world have broken.
She used her quite deep knowledge about autism to play with my mind perfectly.
Her "care" destroyed me and my life.
It is about to drive me crazy I lived my life for the psychopath.



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16 Feb 2014, 2:25 pm

Why do you think that?


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16 Feb 2014, 2:29 pm

It is very very long and strange and complicated storey.
I could write 1000 pages long text about it.
And it is really hard for my head all that complicated...
and difficult to choose what I would tell about all that 1000 pages.
It is something my head almost can not understand it, but sometimes
I am able to put the happened verbally in logical form.
I want to reply for your question, but I do not know how to do it shortly
because there is so very much to tell...decades long storey...and complicated every day...
Now finally the storey started getting so very crazy that I realized what it must be.
I told my realization straight to that person. She just told me good I realized.
Psychopath has much less empathy than autistic, even the words like love or empathy
maybe make psychopath feel not well.



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16 Feb 2014, 6:33 pm

Who was the psychopath? A private duty nurse? A relative? A counselor from an agency or DSHS?



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17 Feb 2014, 9:39 am

my closest person all my life to whom i talked about three hours a day decades.
Person only listened, basically never replied me until after decades told me I talked decades for nothing.
Person knows everything about me and my life, but never wanted to tell anything about herself.
Words like love and empathy make her feel very uncomfortable. For her they are according to her useless words.
Privately she does not agree to say almost any kind word ever. Publically she may act kind.
Privately her most kind words are that she knows everything.
She never expresses privately other feelings than somekind of anger.



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17 Feb 2014, 10:10 am

She could also have alexithymia or another psychiatric condition.


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17 Feb 2014, 10:18 am

I thought so before, but not anymore...(that is why I was always patient even I felt very bad about her ways)
She also told me always I do not know how to talk so she have to talk for me,
and then she makes all people angry about me because they imagine I am somehow same with her how she talks, even if I do not like her way at all.

After all psychopathy is much more common than autism even if I have right understood.
I read somewhere almost everyone propably knows few psychopaths.



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17 Feb 2014, 10:25 am

Aleta wrote:
I thought so before, but not anymore...(that is why I was always patient even I felt very bad about her ways)
She also told me always I do not know how to talk so she have to talk for me,
and then she makes all people angry about me because they imagine I am somehow same with her how she talks, even if I do not like her way at all.

After all psychopathy is much more common than autism even if I have right understood.
I read somewhere almost everyone propably knows few psychopaths.


And why could't it be possible that she has a PD or alexithymia though?

... I don't get it, but this also has to do with the fact that I know exactly how it feels to get miss-dx and even psychiatrists can be wrong.


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17 Feb 2014, 10:35 am

Yes, I think so too almost anyone may get wrong diagnosis and it is really harmfull when it happens.
I also am not looking for this person to get diagnosis, but to understand my own life storey and find a way to free myself from that effect.
I think noone shall be diagnosed just because someone claims she is this or that.
But also if person has close relation with psychopath, it is to live under her strange effect forever if not to get a right to realize person propably is psychopath and it is better to understand things from that point of view to be able to understand what is really going on...not to live in illusions...not to lose oneself and become her manipulation...that is really terrible...

And if to become her manipulation, which disorder it is called then ?
Noone can solve that disorder then I suppose unless to understand manipulation.



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17 Feb 2014, 10:53 am

Aleta wrote:
And if to become her manipulation, which disorder it is called then ?
Noone can solve that disorder then I suppose unless to understand manipulation.


Manipulation can occour in many psychiatric disorders, but it is most common in cluster B Personality disorders like Narcissism or Antisocial PD.

To have certain antisocial traits still differs from psychopathy.
Anyone can develop certain antisocial aspects, but just very few are real psychopaths, but also not all psychopaths are necesserily antisocial.


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17 Feb 2014, 4:11 pm

I read few percentage of all population are psychopaths. That it is not very rare, it is more common than autism.
I understand psychopaths are also born with different neurology and brain.
So it is not necessarely mental problem for them. They may be able to work effectively,
even succeed. They do not necessarely need any diagnosis, it is more problem for their near people.
I do not know if I am right, but this how I understood this far.



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17 Feb 2014, 4:31 pm

Aleta wrote:
I read few percentage of all population are psychopaths. That it is not very rare, it is more common than autism.
I understand psychopaths are also born with different neurology and brain.
So it is not necessarely mental problem for them. They may be able to work effectively,
even succeed. They do not necessarely need any diagnosis, it is more problem for their near people.
I do not know if I am right, but this how I understood this far.


I meant that compared to antisocial behavior who is a lot more common than psychopathy is.
Also with psychopathy (like with all psychiatric disorders) it depents were you make the cut off, but in general it's equally common than ASD.

I still find it highly dangerous to "diagnose" someone with such a condition without any professional psychiatric testing.


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18 Feb 2014, 6:37 am

In my opinion it is more dangerous to be object of manipulation of psychopath and not to notice it.
Also I think most psychopaths would not go to test if they are psychopath and secondly
I think they would not reply there true.
It is important for the life of object of manipulation to recognize the psychopathy of manipulator.
It is not important for manipulator to became diagnozed as psychopath and I do not give diagnozes to anyone.

Also I do not understand why it would be more dangerous to suppose someone is psychopath than suppose someone having some other neurological disorder.
Anyway if someone is psychopath, so what, noone bothers psychopaths really.

I think psychopath does not need diagnozes because only it would maybe only disturb her living naturally as psychopath.
It is just her near person must have possibility to understand what happened to her, if it all her life anyway.

If this person really is a psychopath, then my closest person ever in my life have been psychopath. (Or she was close to me like ghost following me everywhere, but she never let me close to her.)
I do not want anything bad to anyone, not to psychopath aither.
This person told me herself if this theory about psychopathy give me something then good.

But she wants to manipulate me to become like her who does not really care about anything or anyone,
but I can not accept, so it is conflict...
I show my caring nature and she becomes very angry....

She is telling me just to consentrate in reading about autism and seeing programs about autism and praying,
even she herself is not praying. I realized she only wants me to get deep into my own autistic world that I would not notice her plots in outside world...

She is herself first person in the world analyzed me as a person who does not well understand social games...



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18 Feb 2014, 6:45 am

Raziel wrote:
Aleta wrote:
And if to become her manipulation, which disorder it is called then ?
Noone can solve that disorder then I suppose unless to understand manipulation.


Manipulation can occour in many psychiatric disorders, but it is most common in cluster B Personality disorders like Narcissism or Antisocial PD.

To have certain antisocial traits still differs from psychopathy.
Anyone can develop certain antisocial aspects, but just very few are real psychopaths, but also not all psychopaths are necesserily antisocial.


I am talking here about that that which disorder it is then when object of manipulator loses oneself and becomes manipulation ? I am not talking about disorder of psychopath. It is more problem for person in close relation with psychopath. I mean what is the disorder of the object of manipulation of psychopath if she loses oneself and becomes manipulation of other person?

Also I am curious that if genes of autistic people and psychopathic people get mixed what kind of "mutations" they might be if they mix with couple of more neurological disorders ? :) Is there any research about the subject ?

This life is really suffering, but sometimes I just have to see everything with humour.
Wishing I would have energy to write novel: Me autistic and my "friend" psychopath 8O
It may work, because more easily both will accept one way relation.
Psychopath wants everything and autistic is satisfied for little...or nothing.



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21 May 2014, 7:22 pm

Aleta, Raziel is giving you some of the picture but not the whole thing.
Enough to seriously question her motives or her understanding of the subject.
Especially when she repeats the myth that not all psychopaths are bad, yes they are.
Some of us are bad, some of us are mad we know we are and we can change.
psychopaths are mad , bad and cannot change.
they are literally hardwired to be self serving deceptive bastards to put it in lay terms, they derive massive amounts of pleasure from manipulating peoples emotions as they dont have any...if they cannot manipulate your emotions they will confuse you with word trickery so you cannot spot them and they will tell you that some "not all psychopaths are bad...they are ...in fact they are so very base that when one tries to define the personality of the psychopath one is a t a loss...the only words are evil, psychpath, evil bastard evil manipulative pscyhopathic c**t of a worthless lifeform.
it could be argued that they in fact are a kind of living soul death of themselves.
scientifically? the definition itself means "inhuman" as most of us understand the term human to be.
They are distinctly other in a way that makes you realise that evil may well be a universal phenomenon that allows the good in the world to exist.
we emotional beings must deal with these creatures every day until someone just says "no f**k off you creepy weirdo" loud enough and enough times, then they can team together and try to learn something about their condition...i doubt it but there might be one decent one left standing at the end of it.
they chew on each other in parliaments and boardrooms and stock exchanges and ad agencies and banks at the top being a***holes . ultimately narcissistic, completely selfishly m,otivated and the antithesis of good business practice in reality.
If human being as term is taken to mean we are a sociakl species then psychopaths??? they really arent human, you guys see yourself as from your own worlds. psychopaths see themselves as gods in ours when in reality they are worms.
Give them no emotional response, nothing, leave them in the cold where they want to be, they will find each other and try to feed in groups but what they cannot see is that this is their own downfall.

From a human perspective they are revolting but possibly from an autistic perspective or aspies point of view i would expect they might appear as more of an obstacle to be overcome.
climb over, go through, avoid, destroy...its up to you.
they are weak because deep down they have no feelings, no care for fellow sentient beings nor do they ever want any, they see themselves as superior, as our natural leaders when they must lie to find power, they cannot survive without lies and the power they think they have.
unfortunately ,for them, when it comes to weapons of morality, the truth is finest blade there is.

I hope my metaphors are not lost in the word heavy exoplaining of what these beasties are.

if in doubt read around the subject but be careful do not take my words about the subject as the ultimate truth on these creatures but be warned , we have proof they exist and noone likes them, they dont even like each other...they cant...it is simply not in their nature.

And they are cunning, not clever not intelligent but cunning indeed, they want your full undivided emotional attention, they can fake care incredibly convincingly but there is always an ulterior motive.

the truth however, the cold hard truth? they really dont like that or anyone who respects it.
or anyone who dares feel emotions they cannot perceive,they control, manipulate and ultimately destroy themselves entirely and usually anything they claimed they stood for and they will drag everyone around them through hell in a bid to get you to feel empathy with them and their dark ways.
would you empathise with a being that had, by definition, a physiological makeup that defined it as a being that could never possibly ever be genuinely nice? not to anyone? ever?

every utterance from these creatures mouths is utter fantasy in human form, they are made of lies.
much as the idetic memory of a aspie is refined to pure truth about a subject, a pscyhopath is nothing but a lie within a lie within a lie.
If you rty to Define them the little f*****s have come along piece by p[iece and added confusion to the terms,
trying to change definition but never getting away from the word psychopath, or from its origins of basically meaning untreatable unspeakbaly evil, permanently wired that way, unconcionable bastard

So much so that David Icke and other savants are having to invent new terms to describe the concepts more clearly...
interdimensional reptilian beings- they have base instincts to fulfil- the low level ones are willingly sacrificed to the jails in order to keep the biggest weirdest halfbrained nutters at the top changing definition but never getting away from the word psychopath, they are proud to be better than us- but they forgot to notice that they are so very sure of who they rae that veryone else can see these little emperors however viscious and threatening...
have no clothes.
no personality just masks, no conscience
a danger to themselves and others both menatlly and physically in all aspects.
just need however narrow its scope, the scope is realistic, the knowledge is valuable
trapped in a hell they cant fully perceive and think it wise to persuade
but also not all psychopaths are necesserily antisocial.
why do they call it pathological antisocial personality disorder then?
not all psychopaths present as APD but theydamn sure they all have it- they only seem to differ in their social effect and level of damage they can get away with, they set themselves up very comfortably if they can and god forbid you ever try to relinquish control from them...or so they would have you believe they will cause as much damage as p[ossible to you if you ever so much as begin to bore them or not play their game anymore.

we are not talking about malignant narcissism here, sad people manipulate you into feeling sad and most of them are sad because of these halfbrained unempathetic lunatics who give the emotionally challenged a very bad name and by definition seek power and influence to boost their egos above all?
there is nothing you can do with psychopaths to make them live prosocial existences, damage mitigation is the thing. NO contact stay away. warn others how evil they are but dont let them talk to you text you speak to you or ever come near you gain if they are a diagnosable psychopath.
learn what they are who they are and the kind of things bthey say, they can charm and befriend anyone on a superficial level but beware the grinning smile- thats not a smile its a leer...they use this to try to induce fear- they do it instinctively!! !! !
predatory humans- they live in their own minds...cages of their own making and they will offer you things that you might want but most probably do not need, they wil corrupt anyone who would be corrupted.
pick up the pieces, understand how and why it is they are so biologically and morally different from the rest of us, and help their other victims wriggle free.
They think of themsleves as little gods in any case- from their perspective the world and everything in it exists solely to please and them and be at their command,

They manufacture little emotional power games for us to see what we do...
playing people in a pscyhotic game of chess until they end up on their own, until people like me and you aleta pick up our bloodied carcasses they have tired of and point at that them, whisper about them, tell evceryone as calmly as you can what that personality if it even has such a thing is like...
its like being in a room with a snake.
everyone suspects something anyway some people are just a little too perfect,
their evil behaviour exposes them all in the end but some make it to the grave undiscovered for a lifetime never having to answer -or do they???
If psychopaths exist there better had be a god i tell you otherwise we are f****d.
- knowing about psychopathy is enough to make you religious in a way-
they are the allegorical snake and the apple
its like looking into the face of pure evil- not pleasant but once you see some people of our species as whatt they are the trees look greener, the flowers look brighter because you know that whatever happens you could never end up as bitter and as mean and as manipulative as someone who was given a brain that behaves in such a manner as to even prevent you from pitying them or ever paying them any heed again.
If a psychopath could ever redeem himself it would have to be by breaaking their codes, they communicate between one another, they share victims, they recognise each other and nod being in a room hearing them converse is basically like listening to emotions and politics and favours being exchanged like they were drugs...ill get so ans so to do this and if you get so and so to do that then we can...
sinister as f**k.

in a bigger group they start tearing one another and anything they can gget their hands on thats any good apart like it were a game.
The kind of person who would poison you if it would benefit them in anyway.
No regard for the complexity of life, no conscience.
A true prototypical psychopath? no treatment works they go into a miserable state of self pity if forced to look at themselves for too long.
They should end up shoeless and penniless and in a crack den but many of them go onto great success causing havoc and destruction in their wake by the means of their ability to lie like it was all they can do.
it is all they can do.
And mesmerise and fill with empty meaningless wonder---they really atke the fun out of life but will promise you the moon on a stick if you would buy it.
Why we let them run countries is beyond me with what we now know-
if you play to their narcissism this sort of makes them a bit safer but then they get more influence and abuse it.
They seek information on new victims that might benefit their emotional power needs - their little kingdoms develpo these structures and rankings of skewed value importance, ot skewed like aspies but skewed to no other reeason than to protect and control what they have accumulated which in the end -ends up being nothing. nothing of value to real people who do not fake their every waking moment in order to be keep their victims and to maintain both their lack of emotional accountability and emotional puppets ...because thats what emotions are to a psychopath. we have stories of vampires, you meet a psychopath.
you finally understand what the horror story was warning you of.

Kick em out in the street with the rest of the rubbish and see how long they last down in the dirt where you better believe in humanity or you are f****d.

The dark places that psychopaths have taken some of you aspies and autistic folk to will be their undoing and maybe their realisation of just what it is that is wrong with them.

Anyone who tells you they are not all bad or not all antisocial is either lying to you or is grossly misinformed as to the depth and concise nature of the tests for such things and the in fact the whole concept of the term and its neurological and testable clinical diagnosis.

Say cheese Mr psycho we got your brain on film and your f****d cos you got selfish mean demon succubus manipulator crazy goggleeyed be own your own for ever c**t syndrome
FMRI scans show these comedic excuse for human souls for what they really are---tiny tiny minded petty conmen.

once you know what you are looking for from an atypical perspective- a term i use cautiously as there in reality is no such thing...i speak of people who are blessed with a natural emotional mirroring empathic response that can search a face for a meaning and always find at least something there to see.
Im neither aspie nor autistic ...just a very matured and terminal case of ODD "thank you very much mr doctor , no i dont want any drugs- why do you ask you creepy pushy weird concern troll?"
And they look so attentive and concerned about you dont they?
scanning you up and down thinking "oh not another nutter...look here have some drugs you will be ok some people are just different heres some random word soup to get your literal brain even more f*****g confused than it already is."

Psychopaths? socially useful? put em on a stage and throw fruit at them (and knives maybe depends how much emotional damage they caused this week,)
thats as socially useful as you will get apart from providing eveidence that evil humans are unfortunately still with us and probably always will be but lets make em as unhappy as they have made everyone else shall we...its about time.
well done aleta
But frankly raziel. go f**k off and read all the books before you start spouting your psychopathic propaganda about how a biologically proven to be morally insane human being is somehow not antisocial...when the very condition itself is one that has come about by sociological necessity.
"You just cant work with psychopaths you never know what the f**k those crazy bastards are going to do next"- or why...thats why the term was coined as "moral insanity" then "sociopath" then "psychopath" and now "ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER PATHOLOGICAL TYPE"
that is the label plus thousands of other sub classification you find on the files of deceptive type serial killers.
The recent killings involving what seemed to be highly vulnerable and impressionable young men of the aspergers and autistic types i might put it to the judge that both these mens psychiatrists or someone else in their lives was a manipulative and hypnotic psychopath capable of controlling a weaker or more vulnerable highly literal person.
there i done said it.
i cured my fucxking aspergers that i had to borrow for the night to express just how awful one minute in the company of one of these c***s now is- how awful it was and how awful it will be until psychiatric patients decide to trust to the works of these two doctors before they trust any of the others.
#dr hare...
the studies...
the criminals...
the true psychopaths among them...
the brain scans...
the empty bit where the empathy is supposed to be , not a faulty bit, not a disconnected bit but he gave us evidence that empathy is linked inexorably to brain structure, if you dot have it, you arent to be trusted...not ever...with anything...
so far we have one psychiatrist who has come forward and taken their own medicine...an FMRI scan and he was a psychopath...i havent seen many others stepping forward...diagnosis is easy if you know what you are looking for though however...once you have been informed that the sucessful psychopath is on your case you can out him very simply,,,they cannot tell the difference between right and wrong and can do nothing but mislead you if they try, they have no imaginations you see. none whatsoever, they assimilate and copy and often like to draw pictures of lizards in fact or sharks...predatory creatures they think inspire fear - to them fear and respect are the same thing.
they exist in the animal world too from what i have seen...
ANd to any psychopaths out there who may be reading this, well done, know you know what you are...if you do not fit the above description in all honesty then well done, you have achieved the state of human.
If you do fit the above description try everything you can to change -its starts with totally honest open communication with yourself.
Then and only then do you gain the privelege of communication with others...some of us have it, some of us dont, i think they call it schizophrenia but that sounds like some s**t out of harry potter being described as what most people would call mad as box of frogs.
nothing wrong with frogs except they get preyed on by snakes if they are not careful but it doesnt matter cos there are loads of them and none of them are real anyway.
whats that doctor "tangenital thinking" whats that oh some maths thing that you say instead of "ideas"- doctor im not sure if you can really help me to be honest its like i have this train of thought but some idiot has stopped it at the station with a shiny police badge and is pretending to check the brakes by removing the wheel nuts and is now handing the driver some sort of psychoactive...oh hes fallen over and now the man in white coat is kicking him and writing it all down....do you think this is an important step in my develpment ....how are you with metaphors doctor?
are you writing this down? add this to your notes if you could
...yes with the pen...why have you stopped writing?
cmon im expressing myself you asked me how i felt in myself, well right now im in here with you and thats how i feel and being aware of dr hares criminological studies and the recent confession of dr fallon as a psychopath live on the youtubes the way you are now looking at me doctor is rather disturbing....doctor why are you calling the nurses,,,i havent done a thing...threatened you ? are you insane?
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21 May 2014, 7:38 pm

put that in your fast processing speed and smoke it lol.