Would you be "crazy" if psychology did not exist?

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13 Mar 2011, 2:57 pm

I mean if you didn't go around telling people what was going on in your head then wouldn't you be just as normal as anyone else? For instance in the old native american cultures or still existing cultures in africa and probably south america they would see you in a total different light. (Not modernized areas but zero electronic areas where they hunt in tribes for food) Seems to be a matter of perspective in deciding what is "illness" in this respect.

Why does everyone have so much faith in psychology? It's such an imperfect, innacurate, and unpredictable study that I don't believe it warrants the credit it is given. I would bet general practice doctors not psycholigists could solve problems a million times better with their knowledge on medicines then psycholigists. Plus they could prescribe anything, and certain medications wouldn't be off limits as is the case with psycholigists and certain diagnosis even though many off label uses could work perfectly.

bit of a rant...but....i dont care.

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13 Mar 2011, 3:03 pm

Actually, I believe you would be crazy if psychiatry (not psychology) didn't exist. Because it exist, you have a mental disorder.

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13 Mar 2011, 3:49 pm

I have read that in certain tribes, a person with schizophrenia who has auditory hallucinations is viewed as having different insight into an alternative reality and is treated as a valued person. as we all should be treated.

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13 Mar 2011, 3:58 pm

liveandletdie wrote:

. . . I would bet general practice doctors not psycholigists . . .

Yes, thank you. I often remind people of this. I myself have had bad experiences with "psychologists." I am aware that other people have had good experiences.

So, people have a choice. A person can choose to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist. A person can also choose to go to an internist or family practitioner. For example, with depression, a family practitioner can prescribe zoloft just as well as a psychiatrist. And something like zoloft works great for some people, hardly works at all for others, or has unacceptable side-effects. It's all trial and error anyway. That's the current state of the knowledge.

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13 Mar 2011, 4:22 pm

Didn't they send people to mad houses way before the idea of psychiatry was even around? Whether people think you have demons or a chemical imbalance, people are still going to call people crazy. Why? It's called society.

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13 Mar 2011, 4:39 pm

some societies have sent their "mentally ill" to places and locked them up. as seen on another post in africa i believe....

but distinquishing them as mentally ill seems to be as a result of psychology......

plus people still lock others away in insane assylums...

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13 Mar 2011, 4:42 pm

chinatown wrote:

Actually, I believe you would be crazy if psychiatry (not psychology) didn't exist. Because it exist, you have a mental disorder.

i just consider those two sides of the same coin....

i am saying if psychology and psychiatry didn't exist.

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13 Mar 2011, 4:48 pm

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liveandletdie wrote:

. . . I would bet general practice doctors not psycholigists . . .

as is the case with my brother, he just goes to a GP and gets an anti-depressant cellexa.

but they could also prescribe any number of pharmecueticals that the psychology realm could not. (Though probably depending on the doctor they may not)

this all depends on your experience with the psychology realm as a whole which for me has been entirely negative and have not found any help.

neurologists it seems to me would be the best at solving psychiatric issues, I mean if they just scanned everyones brain and focused more on specific biographical areas in the brain instead of the guessing game it is with pschology/psychiatry then better results would be had.

however brain scans are expensive...and would need to be lowered in price in order for this to work.

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13 Mar 2011, 6:09 pm

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Yeah, I think "crazy" as a concept has always existed. And though there are exceptions in some cultures (interestingly, ones where people are highly dependent on each other; small tribes;no one is disposable), the norm of history seems to be locking people up naked in cages and other horrible things.

The psych* people just came in later an named everything, like botanists. Well, and did a lot more than that, actually. It seems like it was probably a noble goal -- to try to make "crazy" less stigmatizing (hence the term "mental illness" -- trying to make it a medical issue, rather than a 'social' one). But I have no idea if overall if it has made things better, worse, or just different.

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15 Mar 2011, 4:50 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:

I have read that in certain tribes, a person with schizophrenia who has auditory hallucinations is viewed as having different insight into an alternative reality and is treated as a valued person.

as we all should be treated.

Some cultures put a positive spin on it. But other cultures have put a negative spin on it and called it demon possession. So it's not like the default for a non-medicalized approach is acceptance.

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16 Mar 2011, 1:54 am

Heres why psychology is bad.
It implies that thinking differently is bad
If nobody was around to think different all thoughts would be the same
If all thoughts were the same there would be no new ideas
If there were no new ideas there would be nothing

If there werent all different types of "crazy people" there would be nothing!

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16 Mar 2011, 2:01 am

carltcwc wrote:

i like how you put it, thanks for reply.

it would seem there is to some extent social engineering going on.

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16 Mar 2011, 2:17 am

Im curious what you mean by social engineering? I had to look up that term and it said it is manipulation to gain confidential information and identity theft. Are you saying im doing that or society is doing that to people who society lables as crazy? How does gaining confedential info and idenity theft have to do with this topic, or did i just see the wrong definitation of the term?

I do see that psychology is manipulating to make people all the same and mind control everyone and outcast those who are resistant to their mind control.

I will also admit I may be manipulating people to start manipulating themselves before the world ends by prenatal screening to abort different types of thought processes and we become populated by clones.

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16 Mar 2011, 4:11 am

carltcwc wrote:

Sorry I meant the ladder (not divulging info/identity theft)

But as you have illustrated this carries into a whole society/governmental issue not just psychology/psychiatry

It has just been my experience that psychology causes more crazy than it cures. From its labels, and its "cure's".

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24 Mar 2011, 9:26 pm

liveandletdie wrote:

This is like saying water wouldn't exist without hydrology, or the planets without astronomy. :roll:

The field of psychology being "imperfect" (like....every other field involving observation of a phenomenon by human beings)
doesn't negate that it explains the causative mechanisms of hundreds of illnesses, and seeks to develop means for those with them to cope.

Psychology is wholly responsible for RECOGNIZING them as illnesses, as opposed to someone being stupid, "subversive", or possessed by demons (which, by the way, would be the predominant sentiment in most of Africa, where many people are BURNED for having "weird" behaviors).

General practice doctors aren't even holistically competent to practice medicine on most of the BODY (hence their need to refer you to specialists who spend their entire careers studying just one system or part) let alone disorders of the MIND, which we're only beginning to understand.

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24 Mar 2011, 9:32 pm

carltcwc wrote:

Heres why psychology is bad.
It implies that thinking differently is bad

Nope.
A diagnostic criterion of the vast majority of mental illnesses is that the condition must cause the person distress,
the exception being if the condition makes him a danger to himself or others.

carltcwc wrote:

If nobody was around to think different all thoughts would be the same

See above.

carltcwc wrote:

If all thoughts were the same there would be no new ideas

See above.

carltcwc wrote:

If there were no new ideas there would be nothing

See above.

carltcwc wrote:

If there werent all different types of "crazy people" there would be nothing!

Psychiatry doesn't eliminate "different types" of people...probably because mere "difference" is not pathologized in the first place.

carltcwc wrote:

I do see that psychology is manipulating to make people all the same and mind control everyone and outcast those who are resistant to their mind control.

Nice to see tin foil hats haven't gone out of style.

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