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bjcirceleb
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09 Jan 2011, 1:27 am

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Depression can be defined as mild sadness at one level to people committing suicide at the profound level.


Actually, someone who is suicidal is less depressed than those at the most profound end of depression. At the most profound levels of depression, a person's energy is so drained by it that they don't feel like doing anything, including committing suicide. This is why people are watched for suicide when starting more modern anti-depressants. These drugs work so well, so quick, that, even though things are getting better for them, their perception is still bleak, but they now have the energy to contemplate suicide.


If they work so well, so quick then WHY does it take at least four weeks before people begin to feel better, why do so many people not respond to them at all, and why do people need to commit suicide when they are feeling so well. Perception is just a total joke, you either feel god or you don't. What is depression for one person is not depression for another, it is a persons individual perception and a doctors interpretation of that as to whether they label someone as depressed or not. If the drugs are so effective then why does research show that when people are placed on active placebo's they recover better, why does research show that Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is more effective than medication, why does research show that exercise is more effective than medication. In fact in the UK doctors can prescribe
"exercise" for people with depression and the government PAYS for people to join a gym, have a personal trainer or whatever, because research has consistently shown that exercise is more effective than medication. In Australia our doctors can prescribe up to 18 sessions with a psychologist instead of medication, again, because research has consistently shown it is more effective than medication, and it certainly works much faster than medication does. I would love to see the research that says that these medications work as fast as you claim. I spend half my life reading medical journals and question research like nothing else, but that is the biggest joke I have ever heard and even drug companies are not stupid enough to say the drugs are so brillant and work so effectively and so fast that they are really working too well!! !! !! If they work as you say then why are side effects of lethargy, excess sleep, etc in existence. Surely if a drug motivates people so much then such side effects would not exist. Further why do people on the drugs not just kill themselves, but also other people!! ! Is that becasue their depression made them do it??! !! !! The research to support that is something I know a million different people would love to read. By all means support the medical obsession that a pill will cure everything, but please do not say that a pill can do something that no research anyway has yet been able to show. Or at the very minimum give some citations to back up what you are saying. Even NAMI, who gets over 80% of there funding from drug companies does not make claims that the medications work too fast, instead they say it can take up to a month for the medication to take effect and you need to keep taking it for at least that long before you try another one. But then again if we are to believe what you are saying all the medications work so well and so bloody fast you would never need to try another one. How is it that some people get worse on the medication???

I am actually not opposed to medication and do actually take an antidepressent everyday and have for the last 10 years, but it sure has hell does not stop me from having bad days, it just stops me from going to a suicidal low, but according to you, it should be making me excessively happy all the time!! ! I do not know of any doctor anywhere in the world that would support such a statement.



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09 Jan 2011, 9:38 am

I have experienced a 2 day black-out. My husband was at work during the day. I have no idea what I did during those hours. He had told me that when he came home, I kept repeating the same questions. The thought of what may have happened during those 2 days terrifies me.


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12 Jan 2011, 12:28 pm

I have these time lapses every now and then. I always assumed they were caused by extreme levels of Depersonalization (which seems to be another form of disociation). The worst time was when I had been taking an SSRI for a period of 2 weeks. I had to stop because I could almost not remember anything for that period. I still have those periods of extreme depersonalization in which I feel zoned out a lot, and can not remember parts of my activities. Luckily there was no DID involved. In the past I also had absence periods, but not that often.

Sometimes these black outs can be short and can get me into trouble. I have had some accidents in the past as a result of it. Be careful when you are in traffic and suffer from black outs!! !



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12 Jan 2011, 9:08 pm

Sometimes I go to sleep and don't remember going to sleep, I try my hardest but to mo avail. Sometimes I'll forget a part of my day, like 2-4 hours of it, and have to be reminded of what happened.



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05 Dec 2012, 9:26 am

Does disassociative identity disorder occur in cases of brief intense obsessions to the point that you want nothing else around you for brief periods? I experience that and it's a bit scary.


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05 Dec 2012, 12:03 pm

There are two possibilities I can think of. Firstly, I understand you have been tested for epilepsy, however some seizures do not show up on a regular EEG, quite often those that originate in the temporal lobe. The temporal lobe contains a lot of our emotion control which could explain why you get angry sometimes when you black out. The type of seizure that this would be is called a complex partial seizure. I myself am being tested for it in the future.

My current diagnosis is Non epileptic attack disorder (NEAD) which is sometimes known as dissosiative seizure disorder. Non epileptic attacks both feel and look real, however they are not caused by electrical activity in the brain. Not much is known about why NEAD occurs, nor why some people get it and others don't. I often find as I am watching films/TV that I am missing bits and people tell me that I often stare into space or continue doing a repetetive task like stirring my coffee or scrubbing a plate! some of my attacks cause me to drop to the ground violently. Other times I fall to the ground but I am fully concious and unable to move! Those are the worst ones because you can hear everyone saying 'should I call an ambulance' and you'r mind is shouting 'NO I DON'T NEED ONE!' but they can't hear you! As I said, I am having further investigations into these 'seizures' however NEAD is quite a good explanation for them otherwise.

There are websites about NEAD (also search Non-epileptic seizures) which can be an interesting read. I would link them for you but my computer is being silly!


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09 Dec 2012, 9:24 pm

I agree with Jellybean, temporal lobe seizures can cause blackouts like the ones you are describing.

My sister had blackouts where she would continue talking and doing stuff (according to other people), but she would not remember any of it. Once, she was at work and her coworker told her she'd just been carrying on a conversation with the Coke machine.

My mother has similar blackouts, only she tends to get angry and violent during them.

Both of them have temporal lobe epilepsy. It is hard to diagnose- my mother had to wear a 24-hour monitor for awhile in order for the neurologist to see that it was, in fact, happening. My sister didn't go through all that; her psychiatrist just gave her the prescription for oxcarbazepine and it worked.

Both my mom and my sister also experience times where they space out. They remain somewhat conscious, but they are off in their own world. Those space outs are also a type of temporal lobe seizure.

They take anti-seizure medications and that controls the blackouts completely. The space-outs still happen a little.