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05 Dec 2011, 8:02 pm

And I think just some low-key, positive leadership helps. And we don't always need to be at our A game. There's a lot to be said for a baseline of a solid B game.

Saying someone can't understand because they're this or that label, that is an ad hominem argument.



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05 Dec 2011, 8:12 pm

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i was misdiagnosed with BPD about 3 years ago by a shrink that didn't read my file. he asked me a few questions and asked about family history. since my mother was dxed BPD - also retracted at that point - the shrink jumped to that conclusion. it got me some good therapy with people who had a mixture of issues, so it wasn't all bad, but i didn't even have all the required criteria. as of May 31, 2011, i was UNdiagnosed with BPD by a proper expert. in females, AS is sometimes mistaken for BPD.

I think this shows both the sloppiness of some 'mental health professionals' (cough, cough). Although some are good. And it also shows the value of good luck!



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06 Dec 2011, 3:07 am

I was misdiagnosed (or shall I say labelled) BPD when I was 16. My "borderline" traits were actually caused AS, depression, and just being a teenager. I do not fit the criteria at all anymore, but the psychiatrist still insisted that I had it the last time I saw him. My family doctor of 20 years thought the diagnosis was ridiculous and encouraged me to make a complaint. The hospital basically ignored my complaint. So now, once I get my documentation from the aspergers professional I see in January, I will be informing him of his mistake in diagnosis with proof from someone more highly trained than him.
I wouldn't care about the misdiagnosed BPD if there weren't such stigma attached to it, but it has made my search for professionals willing to help me considerably more difficult. The whole situation makes me very angry and I could probably rant about this for hours so I best just end here before I scream or something.



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06 Dec 2011, 4:53 am

hyperlexian wrote:
in females, AS is sometimes mistaken for BPD.


Yes that's true. AS-women are usually more social than boys and there is also the thing that males have more AS and females more Borderline.

Also I believe (and also a lot of Autism-experts I know) that you can't have autism and Borderline in one person and I agree with this.

BUT autistic people have also problems with the amygdala, have problems to control their feelings like anger and fear and do also sometimes self harming actions.

I was also thought to have Borderline, what is redicules, because I just have no good social understanding and I'm not rude on purpose and sometimes I get angry or sad, but not everything is Borderline.
In my country the Borderline diagnoses is very popular, because it is very easy to give to disturbed teenagers with problems. It is something like a diagnostic trash can, when you don't know what to do with the patient.


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06 Dec 2011, 11:11 am

The personality disorders in general are inaccurate. Pretty much everyone is a little bit of everything. I have scored really high on schizoid and schizotypal but that doesn't make me diagnosable of either. My moods are extreme but that doesn't make me BPD, people with ASD's have a dysfunctional limbic system which is what causes meltdowns and shutdowns, as well as addiction behaviors and substance abuse.
People can accuse a person with ASD similarly of being manipulative sociopath or psychopath however since ASD's naturally don't have social skills, and are obsessional monologuers by nature this can easily make them seem like something they're not, ie a narcissistic, which, is another PD.
Similarly someone with an ASD can develop delusions and hallucinations because of the lack of social skills causing confusion about peopels intentions, and easily recognizing patterns. When I am under lots of stress I lose clarity and hallucinate easily however that does not make me a schizophrenic.
And so forth.

People with ASD's can EASILY be labelled ANY PD or schizophrenic accidentally because of these coincidences however PD's are generally less structure or chemical based than PDD's or mental illnesses

hyperlexian wrote:
i should add that someone tried to use that prior dx against me on the forum once, where they tried to blame my reaction in an argument to BPD, like people with BPD are not capable of rational reactions or something. i saw it happen to another member on here too, repeatedly. it's weird.


This is because ASD's rant, ramble, and fixate on the same subject, with heavy and uncontrollable emotions, it's a brain structure, it's NOT BPD, I am really getting sick of having to explain this to people as well.

Raziel wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in females, AS is sometimes mistaken for BPD.

I was also thought to have Borderline, what is redicules, because I just have no good social understanding and I'm not rude on purpose and sometimes I get angry or sad, but not everything is Borderline.
In my country the Borderline diagnoses is very popular, because it is very easy to give to disturbed teenagers with problems. It is something like a diagnostic trash can, when you don't know what to do with the patient.


Thank you!!



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06 Dec 2011, 1:56 pm

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My mum is a psychiatric nurse in a crisis team and she works mostly with people with personality disorder (cos they want to be seen where as other patients want to avoid intervention) and she tells me its a very negative label to acquire. Often nurses, doctors and support workers treat personality disorder patients more poorly than other patients, and whilst this is tempting as they can be very difficult its not professional or helpful. . .


Not so cool at all.

I wish these nurses, doctors and support workers took the approach that the hard patients are the good patients. Are precisely why the person went into medicine in the first place.



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06 Dec 2011, 2:14 pm

Mmuffinn wrote:
I was misdiagnosed (or shall I say labelled) BPD when I was 16. My "borderline" traits were actually caused AS, depression, and just being a teenager. I do not fit the criteria at all anymore, but the psychiatrist still insisted that I had it the last time I saw him. My family doctor of 20 years thought the diagnosis was ridiculous and encouraged me to make a complaint. The hospital basically ignored my complaint. . .

Maybe the family doctor could write a follow-up letter on your behalf. Although in doing so, he or she would be taking on other doctors, and that can be a big step to take. So, you kind of have to be a zen master in asking.

With things like depression, I'm really of the opinion that a regular doctor like an internist or family practitioner is an equally valid option, esp since it's all hit and miss anyway. Or, putting it differently, it's trial and error in a respectable sense. Something like Zoloft or Cymbalta might work great for some patients and be a game-changer, and not do a thing for other patients, and that's just the way it is, and no doctor in the world can predict in advance. The thing is to try it for a month (less if the side effects are unacceptable) and if it's not working, try something else. And that's the way the game is played and won.

With antidepressants, even if it doesn't seem to be working, it's sometimes advised to come down off of it in stages.

I've struggled with depression, have not yet tried antidepressants. I might have if a so-called psychiatrist was not such a critical, blameful, authoritarian idiot when I was age 26. And have struggled with depression the last couple of years, talked to my internist about it in April, and he's open to the idea. And I do realize that some people have struggled with depression much more than I have.

Please note: I AM NOT A DOCTOR. I'm just a guy who's read up on some of this stuff. :D

Treating depression can be hit or miss (2009 article)
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt163505.html



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06 Dec 2011, 6:35 pm

The thing with BPD and abandonment is that the threat of being abandoned doesn't even exist most of the time, but the sufferer still makes terrified efforts to prevent it from happening. People with BPD have really unstable relationships, not to mention unstable emotions, and this does nothing but make it worse. What they go through is much more severe than a non-BPD person.

Personality disorders in general are inaccurate diagnoses, in my opinion. There is a huge number of overlapping symptoms between all of them, not to mention that everybody has traits from each disorder. In fact, psychologists are debating over whether to remove the diagnosis of schizoid personality disorder altogether when the DSM-5 is published next year. Schizoid is sort of like mini-Asperger's.

According to symptoms of personality disorders, I'm an obsessive-compulsive, borderline schizoid psychopath. I'm not. I have major depression, OCD, depression, Asperger's, and the psychopathy crap comes from the fact that I have alexithymia (extremely common trait in ASPD people). It's ridiculous.