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17 Apr 2012, 5:10 am

This sounds to me like the Brain in a vat thought experiment. There's nothing wrong with questioning reality and, philosophically, we can't really know whether reality exists outside of our own consciousness or not. For all practical intents and purposes, though, most of us assume that it does. That you "just know" that reality doesn't exist does seem problematic. You'd need some damn good arguments to convince rational people one way or the other - and irrational people just won't listen to you to begin with.



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17 Apr 2012, 7:52 am

I'm of the opinion that nobody knows complete fact. Everyone has their own truth. The difference between fact and truth is that fact is what is, regardless of anyone observing it. Truth is the narrative we use to join cherry picked facts together.

Example. How long is the biro you last used to write with? Down to its last atom. What colour is the ink in it? The EXACT tint of the exact shade of the exact hue? What is every atom and molecule in the biro?

Impossible to know, impractical to obsess over.

It's 12 cm long, blue ink, red casing. A Bic. That'll do.

I wonder what colour the ink is without human brain impulses or a yellow sun.

Now consider that 7 billion people are in the same boat. How many Westerners believe that reality is cars and television? They don't know that for 4.5 billion years there were no aeroplanes. They think it will always be like this. They don't know how little time we've got left. The modern world... a short blip on the radar.

No one has a grip on reality. The only difference among people is that MOST seek the security of mass consensus (mass delusion).

Be happy with your own, so long as you're safe.


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17 Apr 2012, 4:41 pm

I think Ronald Reagan is a communist.



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17 Apr 2012, 4:42 pm

I believe in the multiverse theory - that there are an infinite number of universes containing an infinite number of different scenarios and realities. That's why I treat my favorite fictional characters as if they're real people - because in another universe, they probably are. I don't believe that people just invent fictional characters or the movies/TV series they come from out of nowhere - I believe that their imaginations allow them to see into these other universes and tell the stories of the characters who live there.



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17 Apr 2012, 7:08 pm

I have no idea what the "normal" reality is considered to be, so it is difficult for me to determine whether or not my own view of reality is "alternative."

That being said, I am fairly agnostic in my views of reality; I have come under the impression, for example, that "God" was originally a massive bundle of energy that bundled itself into collective pockets of energy that condensed more and more until it became stars, planets, and, eventually, people, animals. nature, hydrogen, nitrogen, atoms, etc. In other words, it appears to me that we are all a part, literally, of a force known as "God." However, I do not claim that I know this to be true, nor do I believe that it is possible for such beings such as as to know what is "true." I can also easily believe that each person's reality is contained in their own brains-they create their own universes, that there are multiple, if not infinite, universes that occasionally intersect, that we may all have the potential to become "greater than human" and possess certain "abnormal" abilities, and many other beliefs; however, I know none of these to be "true" for certain and am keeping an open mind about everything.

@FMX; The brain in a vat link was very interesting. Thank you for sharing. :)



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18 Apr 2012, 4:26 am

IdahoRose wrote:
I believe in the multiverse theory - that there are an infinite number of universes containing an infinite number of different scenarios and realities. That's why I treat my favorite fictional characters as if they're real people - because in another universe, they probably are. I don't believe that people just invent fictional characters or the movies/TV series they come from out of nowhere - I believe that their imaginations allow them to see into these other universes and tell the stories of the characters who live there.

That's something I've considered - especially since I've been to my own parallel universe in dreams, and very briefly IRL.


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18 Apr 2012, 1:03 pm

Maybe read Rylan's story?

Maybe related to this forum



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18 Apr 2012, 7:15 pm

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What colour is the ink in it? The EXACT tint of the exact shade of the exact hue? What is every atom and molecule in the biro?

Impossible to know, impractical to obsess over.

It's 12 cm long, blue ink, red casing. A Bic. That'll do.

I wonder what colour the ink is without human brain impulses or a yellow sun.


Colour is a property of light, so, it's not really that the ink is blue at all. It's the light that reflects off it that has the colour. It only has the potential to reflect light that's in the wavelength of blue, but it has no colour itself. In other words, everything except light is perfectly black (no colour).



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18 Apr 2012, 8:23 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
I wonder what colour the ink is without human brain impulses or a yellow sun.


"Color" doesn't exist without some sort of sentient creature to sense it. The very definition of color is based on how the pertinent sense organs (eyes) of one particular creature (humans) experience the various frequencies of light. Even then, it's just the typical human eyes, because some of us are colorblind. So if you say, I wonder what color this is without the human brain, you have to specify what other sort of creature is doing the sensing, otherwise, the implied question makes no sense.



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02 May 2012, 3:52 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
I'm of the opinion that nobody knows complete fact. Everyone has their own truth. The difference between fact and truth is that fact is what is, regardless of anyone observing it. Truth is the narrative we use to join cherry picked facts together.

Example. How long is the biro you last used to write with? Down to its last atom. What colour is the ink in it? The EXACT tint of the exact shade of the exact hue? What is every atom and molecule in the biro?

Impossible to know, impractical to obsess over.

It's 12 cm long, blue ink, red casing. A Bic. That'll do.

I wonder what colour the ink is without human brain impulses or a yellow sun.

Now consider that 7 billion people are in the same boat. How many Westerners believe that reality is cars and television? They don't know that for 4.5 billion years there were no aeroplanes. They think it will always be like this. They don't know how little time we've got left. The modern world... a short blip on the radar.

No one has a grip on reality. The only difference among people is that MOST seek the security of mass consensus (mass delusion).

I LIKE the way you think!

Be happy with your own, so long as you're safe.



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02 May 2012, 7:35 pm

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I'm diagnosed as suffering from psychosis (not been told exactly what I have yet) and I believe that we are living in some sort of Matrix (not like the film, I mean a fictional reality) and all everything is are electrical impulses received by the brain, making us believe that we have a reality. No-one else believes me, but they're not real anyway.

Anyone else have any alternative views like mine? I know mine isn't that uncommon, I know 'normal' people discuss it sometimes but...I was just wondering that's all :)


Why do you believe that as opposed to another theory? Why does that one hold more water for you to take it more seriously?


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03 May 2012, 10:11 pm

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04 May 2012, 1:38 pm

CozPoz2802 wrote:
I'm diagnosed as suffering from psychosis (not been told exactly what I have yet) and I believe that we are living in some sort of Matrix (not like the film, I mean a fictional reality) and all everything is are electrical impulses received by the brain, making us believe that we have a reality. No-one else believes me, but they're not real anyway.

Anyone else have any alternative views like mine? I know mine isn't that uncommon, I know 'normal' people discuss it sometimes but...I was just wondering that's all :)




Yes...
I 'feel' auras ie. the hindu chakra system. 3rd eye/mind, throat, heart, gut, crotch, butt (root)
Usually when I come into contact with people, there is a non-permanent chemistry in one of those areas

This is what confuses me,

I consider it "mirroring" when someone has a chemistry/aura,
I feel their aura and reflect it within me.
this used to be very intense, when it first began a year ago if a person was aroused around me it would be like a spark running from their body to my crotch.
if i mentally agree with a person I feel the "light" shining from my mind.
if a person has heart feelings for me I feel as well like i was just dosed with opium.
if a person is scared around me i feel the aura in my, well, butt

What confuses me is, I can't tell wether this is a chemistry with a person or that I am just mirroring them, which people would consider 'sociopathic' OR 'psychotic' of me, but I'm not a sociopath cause my poor social skills. i believe it is a skill animals have... for example.. when you're riding a horse.. and you turn your head, very subtle muscle cues from your body tell the horse to move the direction you turn your head.
this is a special gift and sensitivity but it can be quite disabling, but used correctly it is a gift
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i believe this is actually my senses getting cross-wired. because i am 'intelligent', i can analyze this "phenomena" rationally as my 5 senses combining by cues from other people


my theory is aspergers developed into a kind of psychic/psychosis,,, because of poor social skills I developed this "delusion" or "hallucination" that I learned to accept as my "reality". extreme social isolation combined with drug abuse in the past caused psychotic phenomena.


based on these chemistries as well, I tend to have the same archetypes or symbols in dreams or hallucinations if im awake too long, which ironically becomes "dream sharing" heavily based on certain shared symbols... ie. doors (which i consider, the entryway into dream-sharing or long-distance telepathy

also, i had developed voices, when i am stressed out. when i am stressed i am exhibiting symptoms of psychosis.. i see these as archetypes (mother/father) arguing in a degrading way about me.

also i do admit my fixation on this spiritual plane is pretty crazy/obnoxious to most people and is pretty f*****g narcissistic of me.. or intriguing i have no idea really.. :?: i do think this spiritual thing can be used for greater good though.

i am also glad i was not labelled psychotic/schizophrenic. i would be put on heavy medications. i am already a very slow/sedated person as it is.. tho i admit i relate a lot on the schizo.com forums. this phenomena would be called delusional, but i think it might be some kind of light-epileptic symptom of psychosis caused by aspergers. ahhh its a neverending mystery to me... should just go outside and live my life now...

ALSO...
i do believe in 4d/5d/6d earth. i am not sure if we will transcend in dec 2012 but i do believe people with autism, aspergers, and psychosis experience things unexplainable that exist on other planes of reality.



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04 May 2012, 4:30 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
I'm of the opinion that nobody knows complete fact. Everyone has their own truth. The difference between fact and truth is that fact is what is, regardless of anyone observing it. Truth is the narrative we use to join cherry picked facts together.

Example. How long is the biro you last used to write with? Down to its last atom. What colour is the ink in it? The EXACT tint of the exact shade of the exact hue? What is every atom and molecule in the biro?

Impossible to know, impractical to obsess over.

It's 12 cm long, blue ink, red casing. A Bic. That'll do.

I wonder what colour the ink is without human brain impulses or a yellow sun.

Now consider that 7 billion people are in the same boat. How many Westerners believe that reality is cars and television? They don't know that for 4.5 billion years there were no aeroplanes. They think it will always be like this. They don't know how little time we've got left. The modern world... a short blip on the radar.

No one has a grip on reality. The only difference among people is that MOST seek the security of mass consensus (mass delusion).

Be happy with your own, so long as you're safe.


I completely agree! I think along these lines as well.



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09 May 2012, 1:21 pm

To me it's pointless to question reality,because it's impossible to determine which reality is valid. Who's to say my reality is false. What makes a fake reality fake. Is a fake reality less than the real reality, would it actually make a difference to be in the real reality as opposed to the fake reality? Maybe are reality is a computer simulation run by aliens.



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09 May 2012, 3:10 pm

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No I don't. I just know it exists. That's why there's devices in the walls, recording us all, so they know if we find out, so they'll know that I know now and will get me for it.


Oh cmon, what devices?
Yeah, i do believe sometimes space is infinite and time does not exists. But hey, this doesn't change anything - it is pointless to think about it.


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